EU project fear bollocks again!

[Jiggerycock]

43 minutes ago, Decimus said:

They're not keen on buying from us, they're keen on selling to us.

What exactly do you think we have got to offer? We don't produce anything tangible that the Japanese, Chileans, Vietnamese, Canadians or whoever else is in that little club wants to buy. I'd rather buy from our neighbours than whore ourselves out to the rest of the world and pay a premium on shipping costs. 

If entering into a tin pot trade deal with less than a dozen countries on the other side of the world is the answer to all our problems, then I'd be surprised. But anyone who voted Leave is desperate for a glimmer of good news to come out of this debacle, so if it keeps you warm at night to fantasise that joining the TPP would be some sort of God send, then go ahead. Personally, I'm not particularly excited about the potential opportunities that opening up the dynamic and booming markets of Peru and Chile will provide, but whatever floats your boat.

Inadvertently you've hit the nail on the head.

Whilst we have world class defence, arts & culture and academic industries (and I think the supposed exit of finance companies from the City of London is a load of horseshit) no bugger is talking about what we can do, post Brexit.

The world’s five largest companies are now all in the field of technology and the internet: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook. Ten years ago, none of them made the top five: the masters, then, were Exxon, Walmart, China National Petroleum and the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China.

What unites this lot?

ideas rather than large amounts of capital or manpower can create (and fell) commercial giants in a very short space of time. Oh and they are all American.

American leaders realise, technology companies need freedom, not protection, in order to thrive. It is because of sheer innovation that the likes of Apple, Microsoft and Google have grown so large and powerful. It could have happened anywhere, so why did it happen in America? Or, more to the point, why not in Britain? Rather than worry about whether Goldman Sachs might move to Frankfurt, why don’t our leaders think about how the next Netflix can be created here?

There are some who prefer a Little England and who are fearful at the idea of an open economy, who seem to think that low regulation means no regulation. It’s an understandable instinct, but it’s the wrong one. It would be tragic if, when we rewrite our own rules and regulations, we end up with a set fit only for the last century. Of course we need rules, but we need smart ones which are allowed to change as technology changes

It's so bloody depressing that at moments when Theresa May does hve the world's attention, she  could used the platform to sell Brexit Britain as a great place to do business, setting out the opportunities that there will be once this country is outside the EU. But instead she reaches into her back catalogue and scolds the technology companies about cyber bullying and online porn!

 

[PANZER MURPHY]

Trying to sell your country as a place to do business is difficult when yer ministers demean their offices  on the world stage every time they open their mouths...just an observation is all.

 

 

Panzbaby 

[Jiggerycock]

20 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Trying to sell your country as a place to do business is difficult when yer ministers demean their offices  on the world stage every time they open their mouths...just an observation is all.

 

 

Panzbaby 

Like you'd know what it was like to be on a world stage.

I mean, other than the 'receiving' side of a glory hole....

[Earl of Punkape]

1 hour ago, Jiggerycock said:

Inadvertently you've hit the nail on the head.

Whilst we have world class defence, arts & culture and academic industries (and I think the supposed exit of finance companies from the City of London is a load of horseshit) no bugger is talking about what we can do, post Brexit.

The world’s five largest companies are now all in the field of technology and the internet: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook. Ten years ago, none of them made the top five: the masters, then, were Exxon, Walmart, China National Petroleum and the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China.

What unites this lot?

ideas rather than large amounts of capital or manpower can create (and fell) commercial giants in a very short space of time. Oh and they are all American.

American leaders realise, technology companies need freedom, not protection, in order to thrive. It is because of sheer innovation that the likes of Apple, Microsoft and Google have grown so large and powerful. It could have happened anywhere, so why did it happen in America? Or, more to the point, why not in Britain? Rather than worry about whether Goldman Sachs might move to Frankfurt, why don’t our leaders think about how the next Netflix can be created here?

There are some who prefer a Little England and who are fearful at the idea of an open economy, who seem to think that low regulation means no regulation. It’s an understandable instinct, but it’s the wrong one. It would be tragic if, when we rewrite our own rules and regulations, we end up with a set fit only for the last century. Of course we need rules, but we need smart ones which are allowed to change as technology changes

It's so bloody depressing that at moments when Theresa May does hve the world's attention, she  could used the platform to sell Brexit Britain as a great place to do business, setting out the opportunities that there will be once this country is outside the EU. But instead she reaches into her back catalogue and scolds the technology companies about cyber bullying and online porn!

 

Brexit means Brexit.

You stupid, whining remain cretin.

[Cuntybaws]

1 hour ago, Lord Punkape said:

Brexit means Brexit.

You stupid, whining remain cretin.

By fuck, you're thick.

[Jiggerycock]

1 hour ago, Cuntybaws said:

By fuck, you're thick.

Thanks for sanity checking this one for me.

If there's a crud-encrusted end to the stick and one that points the way to Shangri-La, you can bet Punkers will, not for the first time, be wrist deep in the one covered in faecal matter.

[PANZER MURPHY]

5 hours ago, Jiggerycock said:

Like you'd know what it was like to be on a world stage.

I mean, other than the 'receiving' side of a glory hole....

Seriously...whyd the fuk would anyone come to the UK to set up shop when ya insult and slag off 500 million customers and are ready to drive the ship onto the rocks.....nissan have one foot out the door already ya dumb shite ....hopefully you work for a fickle multinational whos lookin down the barrel of heavy tarrifs on the shite they export outa UK plc ..thatll soften yer jingoistic hard on 

Panzbaby 

[Decimus]

10 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Seriously...whyd the fuk would anyone come to the UK to set up shop when ya insult and slag off 500 million customers and are ready to drive the ship onto the rocks.....nissan have one foot out the door already ya dumb shite ....hopefully you work for a fickle multinational whos lookin down the barrel of heavy tarrifs on the shite they export outa UK plc ..thatll soften yer jingoistic hard on 

Panzbaby 

To sup with the devil, you need a long spoon.

I'm not saying that being a member of the EU is perfect, but I was never going to gamble on the future of my country by voting Leave on a fairy take notion that the UK can go it alone in the world and come out the other end with the sort of influence in global affairs that we currently enjoy whilst being a part of something as significant as the world's largest trading bloc. 

Unfortunately, the majority of the electorate had other ideas and willfully ignored that other well known demon based proverb; Better the devil you know.

[Earl of Punkape]

1 hour ago, Decimus said:

To sup with the devil, you need a long spoon.

I'm not saying that being a member of the EU is perfect, but I was never going to gamble on the future of my country by voting Leave on a fairy take notion that the UK can go it alone in the world and come out the other end with the sort of influence in global affairs that we currently enjoy whilst being a part of something as significant as the world's largest trading bloc. 

Unfortunately, the majority of the electorate had other ideas and willfully ignored that other well known demon based proverb; Better the devil you know.

The country voted not to remain in the fucking EU.

 Your attitude is treason.

[Ape™️]

27 minutes ago, Decimus said:

To sup with the devil, you need a long spoon.

I'm not saying that being a member of the EU is perfect, but I was never going to gamble on the future of my country by voting Leave on a fairy take notion that the UK can go it alone in the world and come out the other end with the sort of influence in global affairs that we currently enjoy whilst being a part of something as significant as the world's largest trading bloc. 

Unfortunately, the majority of the electorate had other ideas and willfully ignored that other well known demon based proverb; Better the devil you know.

I have asked quite a number of people the same question since the vote - What specific aspect of being in the EU was impacting your life, to such an extent, that you were prepared to roll the dice on a complete unknown? Haven’t had a credible answer yet - just the usual stereotype shite about jobs, imigration etc. As you say; better the devil you know. 

[Ape™️]

28 minutes ago, Lord Punkape said:

The country voted remain.

 Your attitude is treason.

Poof. And by the way, the country voted leave, you babbling spastic.

[Earl of Punkape]

32 minutes ago, Iam Ape said:

Poof. And by the way, the country voted leave, you babbling spastic.

Remain! Leave! Remain! Leave!

Fuck off.

[Eric Cuntman]

3 minutes ago, Lord Punkape said:

Remain! Leave! Remain! Leave!

Fuck off.

Have you inhaled too much amyl nitrate?    Lol

[Penny Farthing]

3 minutes ago, Eric Cuntman said:

Have you inhaled too much amyl nitrate?    Lol

It did annoy me that there wasn't an 'Errrrr' option

[scotty]

9 hours ago, Decimus said:

They're not keen on buying from us, they're keen on selling to us.

What exactly do you think we have got to offer? We don't produce anything tangible that the Japanese, Chileans, Vietnamese, Canadians or whoever else is in that little club wants to buy. I'd rather buy from our neighbours than whore ourselves out to the rest of the world and pay a premium on shipping costs. 

If entering into a tin pot trade deal with less than a dozen countries on the other side of the world is the answer to all our problems, then I'd be surprised. But anyone who voted Leave is desperate for a glimmer of good news to come out of this debacle, so if it keeps you warm at night to fantasise that joining the TPP would be some sort of God send, then go ahead. Personally, I'm not particularly excited about the potential opportunities that opening up the dynamic and booming markets of Peru and Chile will provide, but whatever floats your boat.

You're missing the point. If, as you claimed, we have nothing of value to sell, what difference does it make if we don't sell it to the EU or don't sell it to a different group of countries? Either way, the outcome is the same. 

[Penny Farthing]

14 minutes ago, scotty said:

You're missing the point. If, as you claimed, we have nothing of value to sell, what difference does it make if we don't sell it to the EU or don't sell it to a different group of countries? Either way, the outcome is the same. 

The problem is that even if we sell to Europe we pay a premium on shipping costs because we do not have a proper soft land border with Europe .. everything we sell to the rest of Europe has to pass through a port of some kind.

[PANZER MURPHY]

2 hours ago, scotty said:

You're missing the point. If, as you claimed, we have nothing of value to sell, what difference does it make if we don't sell it to the EU or don't sell it to a different group of countries? Either way, the outcome is the same. 

Moron 

Panzbaby 

[PANZER MURPHY]

I was in the foggy dew bar tonight with a few old comrades ..Billy the bomb thrower and feisty o semtex talkin about the brexit and here's what we think youll get ..yer in with all the rules but no say..and a bit of paper that sez yer out to wave in the moogs and the gooves faces and thats pretty much what y'all deserve... and fuk yiz all

 

Panzbaby 

[Ape™️]

10 hours ago, Lord Punkape said:

The country voted not to remain in the fucking EU.

 Your attitude is treason.

In case anyone missed your almost unimaginably stupid original post, I took the precaution of making a screen shot of it before you inevitability attempted to cover your massive error. You really are a fucking idiot.

[Earl of Punkape]

35 minutes ago, Iam Ape said:

In case anyone missed your almost unimaginably stupid original post, I took the precaution of making a screen shot of it before you inevitability attempted to cover your massive error. You really are a fucking idiot.

 🚁 

lol.

[scotty]

1 hour ago, Iam Ape said:

In case anyone missed your almost unimaginably stupid original post, I took the precaution of making a screen shot of it before you inevitability attempted to cover your massive error. You really are a fucking idiot.

Has baws been training you up dapps? 🤔

[Frank]

 

[Mrs Roops]

11 hours ago, Iam Ape said:

I have asked quite a number of people the same question since the vote - What specific aspect of being in the EU was impacting your life, to such an extent, that you were prepared to roll the dice on a complete unknown? Haven’t had a credible answer yet - just the usual stereotype shite about jobs, imigration etc. As you say; better the devil you know. 

That's actually an easy question to answer.  £8,900,000,000 or £8.9 billion per annum net contribution to the EU money pit, or to put it in practical terms that's £8.9 billion tax UK citizens wouldn't have to fork out each year or £8.9 billion worth of services (infrastructure, health or social care) denied to us. Every year.

The notion that the UK should stay within the EU because "better the devil you know" is the expected response from someone whose income and role in life is courtesy of the taxpayer. It smacks of someone who works in a risk-free environment and doesn't have to compete in the real world. Wealth for all is created by enterprise, not the bureaucrat so I take a jaundiced view that we should stay with the EU "because its the world's largest trading bloc". This conveniently ignores the fact that 60% of UK foreign trade is with outside the EU. That percentage would be higher were it not for the fact that the EU is not only a trading bloc but also a protectionist club which invariably effects weaker nations. I haven't even mentioned issues that Remainers are strangely silent about, namely the torrent of regulations spewed out by the EU machine, democratic accountability and the ability to remove EU Commissioners who aren't up to the job...

[Ape™️]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

That's actually an easy question to answer.  £8,900,000,000 or £8.9 billion per annum net contribution to the EU money pit, or to put it in practical terms that's £8.9 billion tax UK citizens wouldn't have to fork out each year or £8.9 billion worth of services (infrastructure, health or social care) denied to us. Every year.

The notion that the UK should stay within the EU because "better the devil you know" is the expected response from someone whose income and role in life is courtesy of the taxpayer. It smacks of someone who works in a risk-free environment and doesn't have to compete in the real world. Wealth for all is created by enterprise, not the bureaucrat so I take a jaundiced view that we should stay with the EU "because its the world's largest trading bloc". This conveniently ignores the fact that 60% of UK foreign trade is with outside the EU. That percentage would be higher were it not for the fact that the EU is not only a trading bloc but also a protectionist club which invariably effects weaker nations. I haven't even mentioned issues that Remainers are strangely silent about, namely the torrent of regulations spewed out by the EU machine, democratic accountability and the ability to remove EU Commissioners who aren't up to the job...

Opinions vary. My income and role in life is not courtesy of the tax payer, and I also don’t work in a risk free environment, so don’t presume. Sure, you can quote big numbers and rant on in your usual way, but unless you have a crystal ball or a fucking time machine, you have absolutely no idea what the true result and cost of Brexit will be. I see it as an unnecessary risk. 

[Mrs Roops]

2 minutes ago, Iam Ape said:

Opinions vary. My income and role in life is not courtesy of the tax payer, and I also don’t work in a risk free environment, so don’t presume. Sure, you can quote big numbers and rant on in your usual way, but unless you have a crystal ball or a fucking time machine, you have absolutely no idea what the true result and cost of Brexit will be. I see it as an unnecessary risk. 

You asked a question that hitherto had not received a "credible answer". Interesting that my credible response was described as "a rant" because I had the temerity to reply. I would put it you that that the crystal ball predictions given by the merchants of "project fear" have, thus far, been way off the mark.