Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: Contrary to previous comments your average council and supermarket cctv does not automatically record everyone's biometric data. Such highly specialised equipment is used by very few police authorities and even that practice was slapped down by the courts a few days ago. Much misinformation has been written about the Chinese authorities using electronic surveillance in rounding up citizens suspected of carrying covid 19. In fact they were identified by the old tried and tested system of organised street snitches. Really? https://www.essentialretail.com/features/facial-recognition-in-retail-and/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Roops Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Trucking Funt said: Really? https://www.essentialretail.com/features/facial-recognition-in-retail-and/ Yes really. The clue in your link (the gist of the article was hypothetical to say the least) was the para titled "The law". If the police are having problems utilising the technology then I don't see it happening in Asda very soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camberwell gypsy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Trucking Funt said: I wonder what the pigs' "strong new lead" will be next year to justify their free piss up in the Algarve? Thing is she'll turn 18 next year which means she's classified as an adult. I think that changes things. Theres a Facebook site called "Justice for Madeleine" which is worth a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, Weary&Disgusted said: To me, policing the web for "hate speech" should be lowest on the list of priorities (surely its the job of admins and mods to report this kind of thing ?), and I would prefer to see police resources directed towards a physical presence in areas impacted by crime and anti social activity. As TF has revealed, it all depends upon who is allowed access to the data, and whether they follow the rules that restrict data usage to very specific purposes. I didn't realise how vulnerable to abuse the system was. The human rights group Liberty was originally involved with the Met police trial of FR but pulled out when they realised that they had been lied to about how it was going to be deployed and its general accuracy. With the total lack of professionalism in the private security industry, you can bet your last penny that corporate FR is not being used in accordance with the Data Protection Act nor in Accordance with the Human Rights Act. To put it simply, this technology is a gross invasion of privacy and should be banned. The ends do not justify the means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, camberwell gypsy said: Thing is she'll turn 18 next year which means she's classified as an adult. I think that changes things. Theres a Facebook site called "Justice for Madeleine" which is worth a look. She'll probably turn up working in a strip club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: Yes really. The clue in your link (the gist of the article was hypothetical to say the least) was the para titled "The law". If the police are having problems utilising the technology then I don't see it happening in Asda very soon... It's already there! Facewatch is FR and it uses 3D dot matrix eye mapping. It's even designed to penetrate sunglasses so it can read certain points on a person's face. Have you ever wondered what those funny looking CCTV cameras are with lots of small lights clustered around the lens? The corporates don't give a shit because it's private property and their attitude is if you don't like it fuck off! The thing is however, they're trying to give the impression that it's just bog standard CCTV when it's actually taking information that is equivalent to taking a person's fingerprints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Roops Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Trucking Funt said: It's already there! Facewatch is FR and it uses 3D dot matrix eye mapping. It's even designed to penetrate sunglasses so it can read certain points on a person's face. Have you ever wondered what those funny looking CCTV cameras are with lots of small lights clustered around the lens? The corporates don't give a shit because it's private property and their attitude is if you don't like it fuck off! The thing is however, they're trying to give the impression that it's just bog standard CCTV when it's actually taking information that is equivalent to taking a person's fingerprints. I know what the tech does, the issue is the use of, which for retailers and council street monitoring is illegal unless approved by the Home or Justice Secretary and by a judicial commissioner which under current legislation will not happen. The small lights clustered around the lens are Infrared lights for low light monitoring or are you saying every home cctv unit is now capable of biometric harvesting? You're sprouting classic tin-foil rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: I know what the tech does, the issue is the use of, which for retailers and council street monitoring is illegal unless approved by the Home or Justice Secretary and by a judicial commissioner which under current legislation will not happen. The small lights clustered around the lens are Infrared lights for low light monitoring or are you saying every home cctv unit is now capable of biometric harvesting? You're sprouting classic tin-foil rubbish. Some cheapo home cameras resemble them but the ones used in retail are a different animal because those lights are in fact part of a laser mapping system and as there's well established companies out there flogging FR to the retail sector, how the fuck do you come to the conclusion that I'm "sprouting classic tin foil rubbish" exactly? The court of Appeal Judgement btw is only in relation to the police's use of FR in public places, it didn't mention the private sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Mrs Roops said: Contrary to previous comments your average council and supermarket cctv does not automatically record everyone's biometric data. Such highly specialised equipment is used by very few police authorities and even that practice was slapped down by the courts a few days ago. Much misinformation has been written about the Chinese authorities using electronic surveillance in rounding up citizens suspected of carrying covid 19. In fact they were identified by the old tried and tested system of organised street snitches. If you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 46 minutes ago, Trucking Funt said: She'll probably turn up working in a strip club. Or in a bin full of bones at the back of Dewhursts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Pecker Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, King Billy said: If you say so. There's simply nothing she's not an expert on Billbo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Roops Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Trucking Funt said: Some cheapo home cameras resemble them but the ones used in retail are a different animal because those lights are in fact part of a laser mapping system and as there's well established companies out there flogging FR to the retail sector, how the fuck do you come to the conclusion that I'm "sprouting classic tin foil rubbish" exactly? The court of Appeal Judgement btw is only in relation to the police's use of FR in public places, it didn't mention the private sector. It doesn't need to. The current GDPR regs do not allow the private sector to use the tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Stubby Pecker said: There's simply nothing she's not an expert on Billbo. I wonder what she knows about the latest systems which can apparently identify manky old minges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stubby Pecker said: There's simply nothing she's not an expert on Billbo. As R P McMurphy would say....”She’s a goddamn marvel of modern science.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Weary&Disgusted said: To me, policing the web for "hate speech" should be lowest on the list of priorities (surely its the job of admins and mods to report this kind of thing ?), and I would prefer to see police resources directed towards a physical presence in areas impacted by crime and anti social activity. As TF has revealed, it all depends upon who is allowed access to the data, and whether they follow the rules that restrict data usage to very specific purposes. I didn't realise how vulnerable to abuse the system was. Agreed – but surely a growing CCTV society is going to detract from achieving this because advances in technology will continue to be used as a replacement for more vital front-line policing, as I've already alluded to. A surveillance society will ultimately lead to government-driven contracts via further private investment into biometric data technology, eventually lending itself to a police state and reduction of individual freedoms. The recent coronavirus-borne bias to herd a cash-free society (while sensible in the short-term, though undoubtedly irreversible) is just the tip of the iceberg, which worries me greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Roops Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, King Billy said: I wonder what she knows about the latest systems which can apparently identify manky old minges? Probably the same one that identifies manky old gits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: It doesn't need to. The current GDPR regs do not allow the private sector to use the tech. This one spells it out in the title and they say it's GDPR compliant! https://www.dvs.co.uk/facewatch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: Probably the same one that identifies manky old gits... No you are. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Roops Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Trucking Funt said: This one spells it out in the title and they say it's GDPR compliant! https://www.dvs.co.uk/facewatch/ Its a pity that you didn't check all the links. It appears that Facewatch are relying on a tame solicitor who says its all legit, that is if no images or names are stored relying instead on algorithms. Which retailer is going to risk the furore and legal ramifications if a shopper is denied entry because "the computer says no"? To get around this Facewatch says the data and by implication, the instruction to deny is centralised with them and not the retailer so if they get it wrong they are liable for defamation. I'm not sure a crowd-funded outfit would have the financial muscle to survive the legal onslaught that will eventually happen. Small wonder that anticipated end users will be in countries that do not have strict GDPR regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Roops Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, King Billy said: No you are. lol. If you check you kicked off with the retaliatory "no, you are" from another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucking Funt Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: Its a pity that you didn't check all the links. It appears that Facewatch are relying on a tame solicitor who says its all legit, that is if no images or names are stored relying instead on algorithms. Which retailer is going to risk the furore and legal ramifications if a shopper is denied entry because "the computer says no"? To get around this Facewatch says the data and by implication, the instruction to deny is centralised with them and not the retailer so if they get it wrong they are liable for defamation. I'm not sure a crowd-funded outfit would have the financial muscle to survive the legal onslaught that will eventually happen. Small wonder that anticipated end users will be in countries that do not have strict GDPR regs. I'm not saying it is legit but nobody, least of all the Information Commissioner's Office seems to give a shit. Once again, this is corporate profits being put before the law of the land yet it's taken a crowd funded legal action to establish that it's just the police that are misusing it. There was absolutely no mention in the Appeal Court ruling with regard to parameters of use by the Private sector which I find surprising as that's where it's mostly deployed. This prick of a solicitor can say what he likes, storing images for the use of identifying potential thieves is one thing, storing and distributing sensitive biometric data without the subject's consent is a breach of the Data Protection Act 1998 let alone GDPR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Mrs Roops said: I know what the tech does, the issue is the use of, which for retailers and council street monitoring is illegal unless approved by the Home or Justice Secretary and by a judicial commissioner which under current legislation will not happen. The small lights clustered around the lens are Infrared lights for low light monitoring or are you saying every home cctv unit is now capable of biometric harvesting? You're sprouting classic tin-foil rubbish. I thought the red light was just a warning to tell anybody looking "I'm watching YOU" It's handy because a lot of people hang dummies outside their property - same with burglar alarms. You get a couple of plastic signs printed with a general legal warning to the public that a cctv is in operation. In theory you are supposed to display them. But who bothers? Much more sinister in my view is the Google cameras constantly filming our streets to feed "Street View". Where's the control or transparency about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cuntman Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 ROXXXANNNE! You don't have to put on the red light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camberwell gypsy Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Eric Cuntman said: ROXXXANNNE! You don't have to put on the red light. Red light, spells danger can't hold on much longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggerycock Posted August 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, camberwell gypsy said: Red light, spells danger can't hold on much longer With a few red lights and a few old beds We make a place to sweat Duh-duh duhhh, duh-duh duh duhhhh, duh-duh duh, DUH DUH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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