The Beast Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Goober said: I'm having my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine tomorrow. I'll let you know if I grow another head. Viruses don't mutate to survive. Mutations are random occurrences. Survival of certain strains is, therefore, a happy accident, for the mutated virus that is. Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill their having the vaccine, much like the lockdowns, is about protecting the vulnerable and is for the greater good. It should also relieve the strain on the NHS. Viruses can't spread without available hosts. Vaccinate enough people and, in an ideal world, the epidemic is halted through herd immunity and even those that are not vaccinated or have weak immune systems become protected. Unfortunately, its possible, perhaps likely, that virus strains already exist that have some resistance to some or all of the current vaccines. Expect these to come to the fore in the coming years. The vaccines may well help lessen the severity of these strains though. Expect waves of new strains to keep appearing for many years. Like flu, some years will be worse than others. It will be a vaccine-virus arms race for years to come, so buy shares in pharmaceutical companies. Eventually though, when this is no longer a 'new' virus, we'll all learn to live with it. I stand corrected doc, they do mutate constantly, mostly minor changes, but not to survive. I agree this particular coronavirus is here for long term and until the vaccines are developed further, I don’t see how it is possible to run a vaccination programme continually to keep everyone immunised. The vast resources involved are not sustainable long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 56 minutes ago, The Beast said: I stand corrected doc, they do mutate constantly, mostly minor changes, but not to survive. I agree this particular coronavirus is here for long term and until the vaccines are developed further, I don’t see how it is possible to run a vaccination programme continually to keep everyone immunised. The vast resources involved are not sustainable long term. They persist through mutation, they don't mutate to survive. A common enough mistake. Agreed, regarding long term. Eventually it will be the vulnerable and elderly getting a jab every year at the same time as their flu jab, everyone else will be left to take their chance. However, before long there will be a low level broad resistance within the population gained from exposure or from vaccines. So, eventually it will be treated just like flu, the difference with flu being that a year ago no one in the world had been exposed to this virus meaning practically zero immunity. There is plenty of value to be a had from a mass vaccination program even for the healthy right now, but reapeating it year on year, less so. It would produce a diminishing return, unless of course a seriously virulent and lethal strain affecting the healthy (think Spanish flu) appears. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Eric Cuntman said: You claim to be pro vaccine, yet this final paragraph is the best argument against it that I've seen yet. You're more confused than Scooby Doo. Not really. They are all waiting inside for the first jab of one of their own vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, camberwell gypsy said: What doesn't help is the MSM publishing things like "876 people died after 28 days of testing positive for covid". That doesn't tell us how many were actually killed by covid. And that's been my problem ever since this started. Drs I know have been pissed off with going out to care homes within their surgery's remit to someone who's died of a MI or end stage cancer only to discover they have covid on their certificate. That's what troubles me This is very true, but how do you distinguish in a simple way? Its far harder than one might assume. The current guidelines for recording covid deaths are simple, but rather blunt tools. It's also often the case that covid pushes the existing condition past survivability, so whilst someone doesn't die of Covid, it's hastened the end. Is that a covid death or not? It's why you hear the rather annoying phrase 'died with covid' rather than 'died of Covid' so frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cuntman Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Goober said: This is very true, but how do you distinguish in a simple way? Its far harder than one might assume. The current guidelines for recording covid deaths are simple, but rather blunt tools. It's also often the case that covid pushes the existing condition past survivability, so whilst someone doesn't die of Covid, it's hastened the end. Is that a covid death or not? It's why you hear the rather annoying phrase 'died with covid' rather than 'died of Covid' so frequently. The phrase 'died with covid' seems to take priority over other phrases though, other phrases like, 'only had half a lung and a brain tumour the size of a cricket ball'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decimus Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Goober said: They persist through mutation, they don't mutate to survive. A common enough mistake. Agreed, regarding long term. Eventually it will be the vulnerable and elderly getting a jab every year at the same time as their flu jab, everyone else will be left to take their chance. However, befite long there will be a low level broad resistance within the population gained from exposure or from vaccines. So, eventually it will be treated just like flu, the difference with flu being that a year ago no one in the world had been exposed to this virus meaning practically zero immunity. There is plenty of value to be a had from a mass vaccination program even for the healthy right now, but reapeating it year on year, less so. It would produce a diminishing return, unless of course a seriously virulent and lethal strain affecting the healthy (think Spanish flu) appears. Probably the most reasoned and sensible thing I've ever read on here about Covid. My thoughts exactly, although I couldn't articulate it quite as elegantly as yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Eric Cuntman said: The phrase 'died with covid' seems to take priority over other phrases though, other phrases like, 'only had half a lung and a brain tumour the size of a cricket ball'. Well yes, but Covid is headline news right now, so that's hardly surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Goober said: I'm having my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine tomorrow. I'll let you know if I grow another head. Viruses don't mutate to survive. Mutations are random occurrences. Survival of certain strains is, therefore, a happy accident, for the mutated virus that is. Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill their having the vaccine, much like the lockdowns, is about protecting the vulnerable and is for the greater good. It should also relieve the strain on the NHS. Viruses can't spread without available hosts. Vaccinate enough people and, in an ideal world, the epidemic is halted through herd immunity and even those that are not vaccinated or have weak immune systems become protected. Unfortunately, its possible, perhaps likely, that virus strains already exist that have some resistance to some or all of the current vaccines. Expect these to come to the fore in the coming years. The vaccines may well help lessen the severity of these strains though. Expect waves of new strains to keep appearing for many years. Like flu, some years will be worse than others. It will be a vaccine-virus arms race for years to come, so buy shares in pharmaceutical companies. Eventually though, when this is no longer a 'new' virus, we'll all learn to live with it. "Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill" Er. That is until they stop being healthy. You're just hoofing it and doing a soft shoe shuffle at the same time. Get off the Peloton cunt. Bring that thunder/er shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Eric Cuntman said: You claim to be pro vaccine, yet this final paragraph is the best argument against it that I've seen yet. You're more confused than Scooby Doo. Larry the cat now Scooby Doo. Aaaah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, ChildeHarold said: "Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill" Er. That is until they stop being healthy. You're just hoofing it and doing a soft shoe shuffle at the same time. Get off the Peloton cunt. Bring that thunder/er shut up. Fuck off you sponge-brained idiot. You know exactly what was meant so stop being a fucking dickhead and trolling a site that's beyond your mental capacity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Goober said: Fuck off you sponge-brained idiot. You know exactly what was meant so stop being a fucking dickhead and trolling a site that's beyond your mental capacity. I point out your complete fucking insanity and you accuse me of trolling. Stop posting tripe. If you aren't serious be clear and stop dressing it up as the hard truth. You are just fucking full of shit. 115,000 dead. You can't muster the good grace to be civil about the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decimus Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, ChildeHarold said: "Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill" Er. That is until they stop being healthy. You're just hoofing it and doing a soft shoe shuffle at the same time. Get off the Peloton cunt. Bring that thunder/er shut up. Idiots like you are the reason why there are so many people out there dreaming up conspiracy theories. You and your fellow scaremongering, perpetually outraged anti-Tory, communist friends have latched onto a health crisis for political gain and as an excuse to bash the government. He's right, the very healthy rarely get seriously ill. The truth is most people have nothing to worry about, other than transmitting Covid to a vulnerable or elderly relative. But wankers like you are happy to scare the fuck out of the less well informed by quoting figures without any corroborating statistics to explain them. You know it's bollocks as much as I do, but it's convenient for your anti-capitalist, sixth form brand of simplistic socialist narrative, which you preach to try and discredit a government you hate for ideological reasons. You're as transparent as your paper thin skin, you easily rattled fucking idiot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape™️ Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, ChildeHarold said: "Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill" Er. That is until they stop being healthy. You're just hoofing it and doing a soft shoe shuffle at the same time. Get off the Peloton cunt. Bring that thunder/er shut up. 9 minutes ago, ChildeHarold said: Larry the cat now Scooby Doo. Aaaah! If nobody gives this dickhead any further ‘likes’ (I’m astonished he’s got any) then we could see him drop through the 5% like/post ratio, sealing his place in history on CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decimus Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, ChildeHarold said: 115,000 dead. You can't muster the good grace to be civil about the vaccine. How many of those were over 70? How many of those had comorbidities that would have killed them within six months anyway? How many of those were "very, very, healthy"? Shove your pointless statistics up your fucking arse, you uniformed, reactionary, tabloid quoting wanker. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cuntman Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Decimus said: How many of those were over 70? How many of those had comorbidities that would have killed them within six months anyway? How many of those were "very, very, healthy"? Shove your pointless statistics up your fucking arse, you uniformed, reactionary, tabloid quoting wanker. OOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camberwell gypsy Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, ChildeHarold said: "Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill" Er. That is until they stop being healthy. You're just hoofing it and doing a soft shoe shuffle at the same time. Get off the Peloton cunt. Bring that thunder/er shut up. I've pointed this out to you before; you make a salient point but then finish it off with mindless abuse. Don't let me have to point this out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuntspotter Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 15/02/2021 at 20:47, Old Chap Raasclaat said: Not at all, had most of my jabs polio, etc. I simply don't want any of these dodgy vaccines. It's fucking shocking how many people have turned into selfish 'You must have the vaccine' cunts. Fuck off and shove your fucking vaccines. You make a good point about freedom of choice. However, I don’t share your opinion on “dodginess”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuntspotter Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, ChildeHarold said: "Whilst the healthy very, very rarely get severely ill" Er. That is until they stop being healthy. You're just hoofing it and doing a soft shoe shuffle at the same time. Get off the Peloton cunt. Bring that thunder/er shut up. But, he’s basically correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcum Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Can someone explain why I should give a rat's arse about some Saudi bint ragster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, cuntspotter said: But, he’s basically correct. That's as clear as mud. Everybody is basically healthy until they get ill. Even if you interpreted what he was saying, as you do, it still doesn't make sense as it relegates ageing to the category of a "disease", which thankfully we don't do despite the pressures of American Big Pharma and private medicine. Edited February 17, 2021 by ChildeHarold spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuntspotter Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, ChildeHarold said: That's as clear as mad. Evetybody is basically healthy until they get ill. Even if you interpreted what he was saying, as you do, it still doesn't make sense as it relegates ageing to the category of a "disease", which thankfully we don't do despite the pressures of American Big Pharma and private medicine. You are pedantically talking yourself around in circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, cuntspotter said: You are pedantically talking yourself around in circles. Its because the malformed little inbred cunt was born with one leg shorter than the other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 hours ago, Decimus said: How many of those were over 70? How many of those had comorbidities that would have killed them within six months anyway? How many of those were "very, very, healthy"? Shove your pointless statistics up your fucking arse, you uniformed, reactionary, tabloid quoting wanker. You sound like an Ageist who welcomes euthanasia. Ageing isn't a disease process old boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildeHarold Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 hours ago, cuntspotter said: You make a good point about freedom of choice. However, I don’t share your opinion on “dodginess”. This is terribly predictable and calls into question all the other views they post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuntspotter Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, ChildeHarold said: This is terribly predictable and calls into question all the other views they post. Steady ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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