Vicars have the right to be paedos says judge

[Guest 'eavensabove]

1 hour ago, Mrs Roops said:

Lets be clear Stubbs, one paedo image, just one, represents an unmitigated disaster for the child and immeasurable anguish for the child's family. There is no reliable figure as to the number of paedo images on the net, the highest figure I've seen is 30 million. Whilst people may joke about my detached, Vulcan manner, I am a human being and a mother. Now of course I share the same sentiments with any decent person about paedophilia. That said, vigilante justice does not work, there has been too many cases of innocent lives being utterly ruined by self-appointed judges who more often than not are motivated by fear and ignorance.

It also appears to be a characteristic with some of these paedo's that they themselves were abused as kids. Now, to you or I, we would assume that an abuser would be the last person to then abuse.  Many of them will go on to use that as an excuse or the reason... and maybe, perhaps it is? How their mid works is beyond me, but somewhere and at sometime their minds got fucked up big time.

[Roadkill]

30 minutes ago, 'eavensabove said:

It also appears to be a characteristic with some of these paedo's that they themselves were abused as kids. Now, to you or I, we would assume that an abuser would be the last person to then abuse.  Many of them will go on to use that as an excuse or the reason... and maybe, perhaps it is? How their mid works is beyond me, but somewhere and at sometime their minds got fucked up big time.

Hehehehe... perhaps "fucked up" is the wrong term of phrase to use there, 'eavens...

[Guest 'eavensabove]

1 minute ago, Roadkill said:

Hehehehe... perhaps "fucked up" is the wrong term of phrase to use there, 'eavens...

Up fucked, then? I dunno. 

[Roadkill]

1 minute ago, 'eavensabove said:

Up fucked, then? I dunno. 

I would have used "messed up", considering context. Although it does bring new meaning to the phrase "fucked in the head".

[Guest 'eavensabove]

38 minutes ago, Roadkill said:

I would have used "messed up", considering context. Although it does bring new meaning to the phrase "fucked in the head".

You surprise me RK. I thought you would have used a sledgehammer on the cunts, however I digress. 

[Roadkill]

1 minute ago, 'eavensabove said:

You surprise me RK. I thought you would have used a sledgehammer on the cunts, however I digress. 

Don't mistake my humour for acceptance. I'd happily go paedo beating with the rest of you, but if we don't laugh about such things the Nazis win.

[Guest DingTheRioja]

5 hours ago, Mrs Roops said:

From the newspaper report Low enclosed prohibited images with his penned fantasies. For the sake of argument if he had enclosed Category C images then according to the guidelines matrix this would incur a staring point of 13 weeks custody (usually suspended as per the guidelines) but within a range of a high level community order to 26 weeks custody. As I said before, the judge was right on the money with his judgement.

As for your final paragraph, a quick perusal of MoJ stats show that Magistrates Courts dispose between 350,000 to 400,000 criminal cases per quarter and Crown Courts dispose 30,000 to 40,000 criminal cases per quarter. Considering the volume, instances of Judges being accused of "being out of touch" are remarkably low. The press when reporting, cherry pick some cases with misleading head and by-lines and are oft followed up with Richard Littlejohn type "why oh why" outrage. If one looks at the facts of such cases, more often than not the judge's hands were tied as to what he/she can do. I don't wish to labour the point, but judges have a statutory duty to comply within the scope of the law. One often hears that the judiciary must be independent and to a certain extent that is true but like it or not parliament must reign supreme and rightly so.

The sentence is light, he has Cat A, B, C and low level, around 180 in total.  Having that many alone should propagate a custodial sentence, then to distribute them, and to add personal handwritten sex fantasies, which include children having sex with adults, posting them to "his flock"...?

Could you really see a teacher getting away with this?  A teacher who had spent say 20 years teaching kids, looking after them, turning them (non-sexually) into adults, helping them through the difficult and turbulant years of adolescence, only to find he had close to 200 paedo pics on his computer, he was penning fantasies and posting them through the parents letterboxes who lived nearby?

This is a person who is supposed to be morally above the rest of us and yet time and time again the church is shown to be well below the average joe.

He has multiple offences, the posting aggravates the crime further, he entered no plea at the start of trial so wasnt admitting guilt, that sentence is ridiculous, lock the cunt up the guidelines do justify it.

 

5 hours ago, Mrs Roops said:

1. Lets be clear Stubbs, one paedo image, just one, represents an unmitigated disaster for the child and immeasurable anguish for the child's family.
2. That said, vigilante justice does not work, there has been too many cases of innocent lives being utterly ruined by self-appointed judges who more often than not are motivated by fear and ignorance.

1. Hence anyone who knowingly searched, collected and distributed them should be locked up.
2. Hence when the police catch the cunts, they should be locked up.
3. They should be locked up.

[Guest Snatch]

This cunt walks away free for peado shit and cunts here have been known to get a few days in the cooler for calling a mod a cunt.

And they say Judges don't live in the real world!!

[Guest 'eavensabove]

4 hours ago, Roadkill said:

Don't mistake my humour for acceptance. I'd happily go paedo beating with the rest of you, but if we don't laugh about such things the Nazis win.

Ha! I'm sure that nothing compares to the vileness of paedos or the hatred that we all feel about the cunts. I watched this TV program once about rapists, and they reckon that every man has fantasised about raping at some point, however, it is only a few that then go on to rape, and then perhaps sadistic stuff and then murder. ALL of these heinous crimes have a beginning which escalates and escalates until they are caught. Just like the many kids who are influenced by porn and video games and then become so influenced by it all that they cross the line. I definitely feel that more should be done to prevent rather than simply waiting for things to happen, and also, there still are many paedo's who are known to be pervs  by their employers and yet fuck all is said or done until they're caught: "Oh we had our suspicions about him, but never thought of doing anything" blah blah fucking blah. To me, these people are as bad as the abuser for allowing it to happen, eh Mr Archbishop? That cunt Saville and his so-called buddies who knew about his activities, should have all been nicked too and still should be. You cannot tell me that nobody except Rolf Harris, didn't know what he was up to either. Cunts, the fucking lot of 'em and if they are not a reason for having a site like this, then what the fuck is?   

[Guest DingTheRioja]

6 minutes ago, 'eavensabove said:

Ha! I'm sure that nothing compares to the vileness of paedos or the hatred that we all feel about the cunts. I watched this TV program once about rapists, and they reckon that every man has fantasised about raping at some point, however, it is only a few that then go on to rape, and then perhaps sadistic stuff and then murder. ALL of these heinous crimes have a beginning which escalates and escalates until they are caught. Just like the many kids who are influenced by porn and video games and then become so influenced by it all that they cross the line. I definitely feel that more should be done to prevent rather than simply waiting for things to happen, and also, there still are many paedo's who are known to be pervs  by their employers and yet fuck all is said or done until they're caught: "Oh we had our suspicions about him, but never thought of doing anything" blah blah fucking blah. To me, these people are as bad as the abuser for allowing it to happen, eh Mr Archbishop? That cunt Saville and his so-called buddies who knew about his activities, should have all been nicked too and still should be. You cannot tell me that nobody except Rolf Harris, didn't know what he was up to either. Cunts, the fucking lot of 'em and if they are not a reason for having a site like this, then what the fuck is?   

I'm of the generation that grew up with games, starting with ZX81s etc, played them all my life and still do sometimes, I also saw my first porn films on betamax at my mates house while still at primary school, he was the local coppers son....  It nivver did me no 'arm.....

The crap about normalising and influencing is mostly bollocks, millions upon millions of people have grown up with violent games and porn, but very few go out and act on that "influence".  Those people are already mind-fucked and nothing would have influenced them to either do or not do the shit that happens.

Despite my usual rantings about the Murricans and their stupid gun laws which allow kids easy access to assault rifles, there are actually very few mass killings considering the number of guns in circulation over there and teh prevelance of CoD/Battlefield/etc.  If the connection between games/porn/guns was that strong, it would be happening a dozen times a week.

[Guest 'eavensabove]

1 minute ago, DingTheRioja said:

I'm of the generation that grew up with games, starting with ZX81s etc, played them all my life and still do sometimes, I also saw my first porn films on betamax at my mates house while still at primary school, he was the local coppers son....  It nivver did me no 'arm.....

The crap about normalising and influencing is mostly bollocks, millions upon millions of people have grown up with violent games and porn, but very few go out and act on that "influence".  Those people are already mind-fucked and nothing would have influenced them to either do or not do the shit that happens.

Despite my usual rantings about the Murricans and their stupid gun laws which allow kids easy access to assault rifles, there are actually very few mass killings considering the number of guns in circulation over there and teh prevelance of CoD/Battlefield/etc.  If the connection between games/porn/guns was that strong, it would be happening a dozen times a week.

Very true, but then again, 'some' are influenced by them which in itself matters. Too many kids stay in the bedrooms watching all manner of shite without parental knowledge and allowed access to the stuff. The very nature of a kids inquisitive mind leads them onto watching harder stuff, losing control and growing up affected by it. There is one way perhaps to sort this all out, and that is to ban ALL internet activity, and then to reboot it again under strict licence. No cunt allowed to add the vile shit online in the first place. It already is impossible to control and it can only get worse... Sick & dangerous activities left right and centre without any knowledge of who, what or where its been downloaded from in the first place... Scrap Facebook for a starters, they're fucking hopeless and its got nothing to do with freedom of speech etc. Computer technology has gone awol. 

[Guest DingTheRioja]

37 minutes ago, 'eavensabove said:

Very true, but then again, 'some' are influenced by them which in itself matters. Too many kids stay in the bedrooms watching all manner of shite without parental knowledge and allowed access to the stuff. The very nature of a kids inquisitive mind leads them onto watching harder stuff, losing control and growing up affected by it. There is one way perhaps to sort this all out, and that is to ban ALL internet activity, and then to reboot it again under strict licence. No cunt allowed to add the vile shit online in the first place. It already is impossible to control and it can only get worse... Sick & dangerous activities left right and centre without any knowledge of who, what or where its been downloaded from in the first place... Scrap Facebook for a starters, they're fucking hopeless and its got nothing to do with freedom of speech etc. Computer technology has gone awol. 

That's you fucked then!

[Guest 'eavensabove]

6 minutes ago, DingTheRioja said:

That's you fucked then!

Indeed. Me and computers are not compatible. I'm stuck in this Corner and that's about it...

[Eric Cuntman]

2 hours ago, Snatch said:

This cunt walks away free for peado shit and cunts here have been known to get a few days in the cooler for calling a mod a cunt.

And they say Judges don't live in the real world!!

All mods are cunts, especially that weasel faced little prick out of Quadrophenia.

[Guest Snatch]

2 hours ago, DingTheRioja said:

I'm of the generation that grew up with games, starting with ZX81s etc, played them all my life and still do sometimes, I also saw my first porn films on betamax at my mates house while still at primary school, he was the local coppers son....  It nivver did me no 'arm.....

The crap about normalising and influencing is mostly bollocks, millions upon millions of people have grown up with violent games and porn, but very few go out and act on that "influence".  Those people are already mind-fucked and nothing would have influenced them to either do or not do the shit that happens.

Despite my usual rantings about the Murricans and their stupid gun laws which allow kids easy access to assault rifles, there are actually very few mass killings considering the number of guns in circulation over there and teh prevelance of CoD/Battlefield/etc.  If the connection between games/porn/guns was that strong, it would be happening a dozen times a week.

I wonder which violent computer games Hitler used to play? Maybe Attila the Hun was influenced by and horror films. 

[Guest DingTheRioja]

10 hours ago, Snatch said:

I wonder which violent computer games Hitler used to play? Maybe Attila the Hun was influenced by and horror films. 

Or Stalin, Mussolini, Sutcliffe, Manson, or fuck knows how many others.

We have a much greater population than we have ever had, the means to do these crimes are much more readily available, and the crimes are more likely to be reported and reported widely.

Quite a lot of "studies" reckon there is little more rape or peado shit going on now than Victorian times, but we hear about a much larger percentage of it.  Some even reckon that "normal" rape is less prevelant since women were more or less regarded as chattels with little or no rights.

[Guest nobgobbler]

11 hours ago, Eric Cuntman said:

All mods are cunts, especially that weasel faced little prick out of Quadrophenia.

I enjoy a bit of northern soul occasionally, but you'd never catch me being a mod cunt.

[Mrs Roops]

15 hours ago, DingTheRioja said:

The sentence is light, he has Cat A, B, C and low level, around 180 in total.  Having that many alone should propagate a custodial sentence, then to distribute them, and to add personal handwritten sex fantasies, which include children having sex with adults, posting them to "his flock"...?

Could you really see a teacher getting away with this?  A teacher who had spent say 20 years teaching kids, looking after them, turning them (non-sexually) into adults, helping them through the difficult and turbulant years of adolescence, only to find he had close to 200 paedo pics on his computer, he was penning fantasies and posting them through the parents letterboxes who lived nearby?

This is a person who is supposed to be morally above the rest of us and yet time and time again the church is shown to be well below the average joe.

He has multiple offences, the posting aggravates the crime further, he entered no plea at the start of trial so wasnt admitting guilt, that sentence is ridiculous, lock the cunt up the guidelines do justify it.

No plea was entered at the magistrates court when Low was committed.  Because this was a procedural hearing to refer the matter to crown court no plea is required. Low did admit guilt at the Plea & Trial Preparation Hearing at crown court. We do not know the circumstances at the magistrates court. Low could indeed  have been hedging his bets or he could have been advised by the legally trained magistrate's clerk of court not to enter a plea as no defence counsel had been appointed. Because this part of the proceedings is unclear and for the avoidance of doubt I did previously say that the plea discount was between one quarter and one third. Aside from you chucking in a hypothetical that is not pertinent to the matter all you have done is repeat the facts of the case without giving any rationale as to why the judge got it wrong. That is not to say the your opinion regarding leniency is invalid - Low's sentence was entirely in accordance with the guidelines, as such your beef is with the legislators, not the judiciary.

[Guest DingTheRioja]

1 hour ago, Mrs Roops said:

No plea was entered at the magistrates court when Low was committed.  Because this was a procedural hearing to refer the matter to crown court no plea is required. Low did admit guilt at the Plea & Trial Preparation Hearing at crown court. We do not know the circumstances at the magistrates court. Low could indeed  have been hedging his bets or he could have been advised by the legally trained magistrate's clerk of court not to enter a plea as no defence counsel had been appointed. Because this part of the proceedings is unclear and for the avoidance of doubt I did previously say that the plea discount was between one quarter and one third. Aside from you chucking in a hypothetical that is not pertinent to the matter all you have done is repeat the facts of the case without giving any rationale as to why the judge got it wrong. That is not to say the your opinion regarding leniency is invalid - Low's sentence was entirely in accordance with the guidelines, as such your beef is with the legislators, not the judiciary.

 

My beef in this case is with the judge who has "mis-sentenced" as far as I am concerned, it was at the lowest possible end of the spectrum, and even then it's borderline whether it was inside or outside.  Far, far too lenient for a cunt who preys on kids, has fantasies about kids, posts those fucking fantasies to his neighbours. He should be above and beyond reproach, he's the villages moral compass, the shepherd to corral a wandering flock, he is supposed to provide them with spiritual comfort... not kiddie fucking porn!

He should be sentenced harder than some poor bastard who was abused as a child and spent their lives in foster homes, in and out of borstals and kicked from pillar to post.

 

How would you feel, when your little darlings were around 10 and some cunt started posting paedo porn through your letterbox?

 

The legislation is a different subject, one that should only include rusty tin cans, a 3 foot length of barbed wire and a group of female relatives of the victims.

[Guest Lady Penelope]

43 minutes ago, DingTheRioja said:

 

My beef in this case is with the judge who has "mis-sentenced" as far as I am concerned, it was at the lowest possible end of the spectrum, and even then it's borderline whether it was inside or outside.  Far, far too lenient for a cunt who preys on kids, has fantasies about kids, posts those fucking fantasies to his neighbours. He should be above and beyond reproach, he's the villages moral compass, the shepherd to corral a wandering flock, he is supposed to provide them with spiritual comfort... not kiddie fucking porn!

He should be sentenced harder than some poor bastard who was abused as a child and spent their lives in foster homes, in and out of borstals and kicked from pillar to post.

 

How would you feel, when your little darlings were around 10 and some cunt started posting paedo porn through your letterbox?

 

The legislation is a different subject, one that should only include rusty tin cans, a 3 foot length of barbed wire and a group of female relatives of the victims.

I am wondering if we are being told everything in this case .. has he for example agreed to undergo (or has already done so) some medical process in a attempt to reduce his offending risk?

 

[Guest Lady Penelope]

Low pictured in Plymouth in 2004

Low was the vicar of St Boniface C of E in 2003, when the the church was rebuilt following an arson attack.

The following year, The Herald reported Low was driving a self-built racing car 4,500 miles across Europe and Africa, in the Atlas-Sahara Challenge.

Before setting off on his trip, Low visited Victoria Road Primary School, which is next door to the church, where young pupils presented him with a teddy bear to accompany him on his trip.

[Guest DingTheRioja]

Bet that teddy bear has a sore arse....

[Mrs Roops]

4 hours ago, DingTheRioja said:

 

My beef in this case is with the judge who has "mis-sentenced" as far as I am concerned, it was at the lowest possible end of the spectrum, and even then it's borderline whether it was inside or outside.  Far, far too lenient for a cunt who preys on kids, has fantasies about kids, posts those fucking fantasies to his neighbours. He should be above and beyond reproach, he's the villages moral compass, the shepherd to corral a wandering flock, he is supposed to provide them with spiritual comfort... not kiddie fucking porn!

He should be sentenced harder than some poor bastard who was abused as a child and spent their lives in foster homes, in and out of borstals and kicked from pillar to post.

How would you feel, when your little darlings were around 10 and some cunt started posting paedo porn through your letterbox?

The legislation is a different subject, one that should only include rusty tin cans, a 3 foot length of barbed wire and a group of female relatives of the victims.

...that's because the offences were at the lowest end of the spectrum.

Ding, now that you appear to be embellishing the facts of the case I'll add no more. I reserve judgement as to whether your obtuseness is deliberate or otherwise.

[Guest DingTheRioja]

4 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

...that's because the offences were at the lowest end of the spectrum.

Ding, now that you appear to be embellishing the facts of the case I'll add no more. I reserve judgement as to whether your obtuseness is deliberate or otherwise.

Embellishing?

[Roadkill]

1 hour ago, DingTheRioja said:

 

My beef in this case is with the judge who has "mis-sentenced" as far as I am concerned, it was at the lowest possible end of the spectrum

4 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

...that's because the offences were at the lowest end of the spectrum.

 

 

You're both on an entirely different spectrum if you ask me.