WOT, no Brexit plan!!

[PANZER MURPHY]

21 minutes ago, Lady Penelope said:

Don't worry Pincer Knickers, Arlene is not on heat.

She should be ..she's top bitch now

Panzerknacker 

[Jiggerycock]

43 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

I would have kept the idiots away from the levers of power. .and secondly looked at the kind of people who wanted out and if their bulshite had any weight...350 million a week for the NHS indeed..what this has done is show every anti Europe gobshite in every country a taste of what's it's like to fuck about with a nations economy. .they've a front row seat to watch the slow motion train wreck thats unfolding 

Panzerknacker 

Oh God not that '£350 for the NHS' thing again!

Throughout the referendum campaign, Vote Leave said that we send £350 million a week to Brussels – a gross figure, applied before a rebate etc. But no one knew the real 2016 figure because the data is compiled in arrears. Only in November, we had the data published by the Office for National Statistics. Its figures show…

• Payment to Brussels, net of rebate and money returned to the UK: £9.4 billion a year, or £181 million a week.
• Payment to Brussels, net of rebate: £13.9 billion a year, or £267 million a week.
• Gross payment to Brussels: £18.9 billion a year, or £363 million a week.

As far as the average voter is concerned, £181 million and £350 million both sound like a lot of money. So why did Boris use the gross figure, when the convention is to use the net figure?

Simple: as your asinine drivel proves, it drives the other side mental and, as they explode with anger, the discussion turns to how much of British money is spent to the EU – a conversation subject that suits Brexiteers. This tactic worked so effectively in the referendum because their opponents rose to the bait every time and continue to do so

Was the £350m figure misleading? Yes, if it was spoken of as the net figure.

Would the lower figure have been fairer, and got the point across just as well? Of course. But it would not have been as effective as a campaigning tool, because it would have attracted less attention.

In elections, politicians frequently use valid-but-misleading figures, - it’s seen as rough and tumble of the debate. In 2005, Gordon Brown falsely accused the Tories of planning to ‘cut’ £35 billion a year from services – but they were planning to increase spending, just not by as much as Labour. But no one accused Labour of winning that election due to that £35 billion figure, in the way that Vote Leave’s vanquished rivals bang on about the £350 million now. No one wrote ‘post truth’ books after that election. It was a more rational age.

Is it valid to use a gross figure for EU payments in public debate? Of course. The UK does not control how the EU spends its money in the UK: we would (and will) cash on different priorities. Plus, as George Osborne admitted, our rebate  is a discretionary grant from the EU. And most salaries are paid net of tax, yet everyone refers to their gross figure. It was a trick, but a valid trick, given potency by the other side’s behaviour and ongoing focus on what was only ever an aspiration and talking point (who would have delivered such a 'promise' given Vote Leave was a cross-party outfit?)

And yet the chairman of the UK Statistics Authority himself belatedly weighed in on the debate a few weeks ago, saying Boris was wrong to quote this figure. It now turns out that he’s right:

The real gross figure is £363 million a week.

 

[PANZER MURPHY]

Well after the pay off to arleen n the 50 odd billion divorce fee you'll be able to spend your money on American bleach chicken n south American  steroid beef ..African lambs n Thai poultry and any other shite that's not let take up space on a supermarket shelf at the moment 

Panzerknacker  

[Stubby Pecker]

7 minutes ago, Jiggerycock said:

Oh God not that '£350 for the NHS' thing again!

Throughout the referendum campaign, Vote Leave said that we send £350 million a week to Brussels – a gross figure, applied before a rebate etc. But no one knew the real 2016 figure because the data is compiled in arrears. Only in November, we had the data published by the Office for National Statistics. Its figures show…

• Payment to Brussels, net of rebate and money returned to the UK: £9.4 billion a year, or £181 million a week.
• Payment to Brussels, net of rebate: £13.9 billion a year, or £267 million a week.
• Gross payment to Brussels: £18.9 billion a year, or £363 million a week.

As far as the average voter is concerned, £181 million and £350 million both sound like a lot of money. So why did Boris use the gross figure, when the convention is to use the net figure?

Simple: as your asinine drivel proves, it drives the other side mental and, as they explode with anger, the discussion turns to how much of British money is spent to the EU – a conversation subject that suits Brexiteers. This tactic worked so effectively in the referendum because their opponents rose to the bait every time and continue to do so

Was the £350m figure misleading? Yes, if it was spoken of as the net figure.

Would the lower figure have been fairer, and got the point across just as well? Of course. But it would not have been as effective as a campaigning tool, because it would have attracted less attention.

In elections, politicians frequently use valid-but-misleading figures, - it’s seen as rough and tumble of the debate. In 2005, Gordon Brown falsely accused the Tories of planning to ‘cut’ £35 billion a year from services – but they were planning to increase spending, just not by as much as Labour. But no one accused Labour of winning that election due to that £35 billion figure, in the way that Vote Leave’s vanquished rivals bang on about the £350 million now. No one wrote ‘post truth’ books after that election. It was a more rational age.

Is it valid to use a gross figure for EU payments in public debate? Of course. The UK does not control how the EU spends its money in the UK: we would (and will) cash on different priorities. Plus, as George Osborne admitted, our rebate  is a discretionary grant from the EU. And most salaries are paid net of tax, yet everyone refers to their gross figure. It was a trick, but a valid trick, given potency by the other side’s behaviour and ongoing focus on what was only ever an aspiration and talking point (who would have delivered such a 'promise' given Vote Leave was a cross-party outfit?)

And yet the chairman of the UK Statistics Authority himself belatedly weighed in on the debate a few weeks ago, saying Boris was wrong to quote this figure. It now turns out that he’s right:

The real gross figure is £363 million a week.

 

UK farmers get 3 billion a year from the Common Agricultural Policy (it seems to be there to destroy the environment) accounting for 55% of the uks total income from farming. Get ready for expensive food and no hedgerows 

[PANZER MURPHY]

39 minutes ago, Stubby Pecker said:

If I wanted to look at some ugly bloke speaking a foreign language I'd hang out with frank as he mangles Spanish when trying to buy beer, condoms and fisting butter in the supermarket. 

Joking aside, I will have a look to see her explain why she's willing to sell the UK down the shitter for some petty fucking sky fairy battle of the boyne shite

Ya could ask her why she's ignored the 56% of her people who voted to stay in Europe. .they are the democratic unionist party after all

Panzerknacker 

[Stubby Pecker]

2 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Well after the pay off to arleen n the 50 odd billion divorce fee you'll be able to spend your money on American bleach chicken n south American  steroid beef ..African lambs n Thai poultry and any other shite that's not let take up space on a supermarket shelf at the moment 

Panzerknacker  

We could tell that Belfast bloke to fuck off of course. If the MPs from all sides got together for the good of the nation and provided a decent post EU plan, we could hand back NI to the paddys, for a price- they have to take back all the bog rats here (every other cunt news presenter seems to be Irish) including the travellers and Holmes

[PANZER MURPHY]

Just now, Stubby Pecker said:

We could tell that Belfast bloke to fuck off of course. If the MPs from all sides got together for the good of the nation and provided a decent post EU plan, we could hand back NI to the paddys, for a price- they have to take back all the bog rats here (every other cunt news presenter seems to be Irish) including the travellers and Holmes

Laffin. ..being honest, I think if it came to the crunch neither side would be willing to join the Republic. .they have it too easy 

Panzerknacker 

[Stubby Pecker]

4 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Laffin. ..being honest, I think if it came to the crunch neither side would be willing to join the Republic. .they have it too easy 

Panzerknacker 

True, it pays to be a decrepit backwater that sucks in charity. I can't say I know too much about the southern economy except the gobshites in power at the time fucked it right up and that we're by fucking far it's most important trading partner. Perhaps they could come back into the union?

[PANZER MURPHY]

13 minutes ago, Stubby Pecker said:

True, it pays to be a decrepit backwater that sucks in charity. I can't say I know too much about the southern economy except the gobshites in power at the time fucked it right up and that we're by fucking far it's most important trading partner. Perhaps they could come back into the union?

Doubtful stubbers. ..think this is a road you have to walk yourselves

Panzerknacker 

[Stubby Pecker]

7 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Doubtful stubbers. ..think this is a road you have to walk yourselves

Panzerknacker 

If you read my post you might see the subtle humour....

Of course Eire will suffer when the UK leaves because the 2 countries are so linked. One can do without the other though and I find it laughable that you seem to suggest a country who's economy is largely based on agriculture is our bestie

[PANZER MURPHY]

21 minutes ago, Stubby Pecker said:

If you read my post you might see the subtle humour....

Of course Eire will suffer when the UK leaves because the 2 countries are so linked. One can do without the other though and I find it laughable that you seem to suggest a country who's economy is largely based on agriculture is our bestie

You are correct. .you don't know a lot about the southern economy 

Panzerknacker 

[Decimus]

10 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

You are correct. .you don't know a lot about the southern economy 

Panzerknacker 

He's a fucking idiot, along with the majority of the UK population when it comes to Ireland.

You've either got Calvinist jocks (enter Bawsey) with a heavy chip on their shoulder, or some para wannabe (enter Ding) who has watched Harry's game one too many times and thinks that he's in the Black and fucking Tans.

The fact is, Irish policy is largely dictated by the USA. If it ever became an American cause for Ireland to be reunited, the UK government would have no choice but to ditch the north and bend over for the yanks.

[Jake The Muss]

On 11/15/2016 at 9:04 AM, Witheredscrote said:

So a 'leaked' report claims that Mdm May and her cronies have no strategy for leaving the EU. Well, well, that is a surprise. The suggestion is that another 30,000 civil servants be employed to cope with the process of leaving. That is 30,000   more salaries that you British taxpayers will have to pay these free loading cunts. The U.K. will not leave the EU, the deal has been done behind closed doors weeks ago.  Those of you who voted leave have been conned. A clear cut case of clowns led by clowns.

Marine Le Pen is more shaggable than May anyway. Vivre

Of course the UK won't be leaving the EU, it's one big Billy Smarts circus, democracy is being killed off by far left loonies who cry their fucking eyes out if you don't agree with them and as for the EU superstate, that will happen in the not too distant future by imperialistic dictators.

[Stubby Pecker]

13 minutes ago, Decimus said:

He's a fucking idiot, along with the majority of the UK population when it comes to Ireland.

You've either got Calvinist jocks (enter Bawsey) with a heavy chip on their shoulder, or some para wannabe (enter Ding) who has watched Harry's game one too many times and thinks that he's in the Black and fucking Tans.

The fact is, Irish policy is largely dictated by the USA. If it ever became an American cause for Ireland to be reunited, the UK government would have no choice but to ditch the north and bend over for the yanks.

Fascinating. 

[Jake The Muss]

11 minutes ago, Stubby Pecker said:

Fascinating. 

There's nothing fascinating about anything the Norfolk Dunce says, but plenty excruciating to read.

[PANZER MURPHY]

Laffin. ..ding the para.... Parading

Panzerknacker 

 

[Eric Cuntman]

@Admin. Please, with respect, fucking delete this thread. No offence intended to any contributors but this is fucking Sunday lunchtime, Brian Walden, miserable political debate cuntbollock shitwank boring toss. We are here to be funny, smartarsed and entertained. This meets none of the above criteria and only serves to expose Panzer as being 400% more informed and intelligent than any of us give him credit for. Ta muchly.

[Stubby Pecker]

35 minutes ago, Fender777 said:

There's nothing fascinating about anything the Norfolk Dunce says, but plenty excruciating to read.

I know, he's a thick fucking twat!

[PANZER MURPHY]

10 minutes ago, Eric Cuntman said:

@Admin. Please, with respect, fucking delete this thread. No offence intended to any contributors but this is fucking Sunday lunchtime, Brian Walden, miserable political debate cuntbollock shitwank boring toss. We are here to be funny, smartarsed and entertained. This meets none of the above criteria and only serves to expose Panzer as being 400% more informed and intelligent than any of us give him credit for. Ta muchly.

Laffin Bollox Off 

Panzerknacker 

[Eric Cuntman]

3 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Laffin Bollox Off 

Panzerknacker 

Give it a like then, you tightarsed Irish, country & western loving cunt.

[PANZER MURPHY]

Sorry. .was a bit bizzy...where are my manners.   Have a like 

Panzerknacker 

[Eric Cuntman]

1 minute ago, Panzerknacker said:

Sorry. .was a bit bizzy...where are my manners.   Have a like 

Panzerknacker 

You're a fucking gentleman. May your bollocks never be infested by the pox. Luv ya.

[ratcum]

5 minutes ago, Eric Cuntman said:

Give it a like then, you tightarsed Irish, country & western loving cunt.

there you go again Authoritah, debasing yourself for tips and fag ends. Hazel wouldn't touch Tiger's wood would she?

Ding dong merrily on high

[Eric Cuntman]

23 minutes ago, ratcum said:

there you go again Authoritah, debasing yourself for tips and fag ends. Hazel wouldn't touch Tiger's wood would she?

Ding dong merrily on high

Hazel Irvine is a goddess and I shall not hear a word said against her. 

[Guest Lady Penelope]

I favour a united Ireland .. we could at a stroke give them the whole of Merseyside as a present.