Brexit..the meltdown has begun

[scotty]

28 minutes ago, Frank said:

https://youtu.be/SRAOG-BpNOw

Shut the fuck up, you fucking cretin. 

[Mrs Roops]

52 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

There is no we in mays government..isnt that what has ya in this situation..lots of nadine dorizzzezz to ruin any retreat and regroup 

Panzbaby 

Nadine these days is the media's rent-a-quote goto gal. That said, she is a Brexiteer who has indicated she will vote against the Brexit proposals as it does not follow the mandate laid down by the referendum result.

[PANZER MURPHY]

2 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

Nadine these days is the media's rent-a-quote goto gal. That said, she is a Brexiteer who has indicated she will vote against the Brexit proposals as it does not follow the mandate laid down by the referendum result.

Does out not mean out..no ties ..break away..brexit means brexit and all that

Panzbaby 

[Mrs Roops]

9 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Does out not mean out..no ties ..break away..brexit means brexit and all that

Panzbaby 

It means no political union, customs union and single market.

[Guest Piston]

34 minutes ago, Decimus said:

It sounds like a common sense approach to a set of negotiations marked by intransigence on both sides. However, each point is flawed.

1 and 2: Going down the route of WTO rules, the combined Eurozone economy is better placed to weather the short and long term consequences of this in comparison to the lone UK economy. They may export more to us than we do to them, but when you consider the agricultural tariffs alone, and the fact that the UK is far from being self-sufficient in terms of food production, you can expect food prices to soar. This may be one part of the picture, but the cost of food is perhaps one of the most vital things any government has to take into account when considering its own survival. Put simply, they'll smell the bluff and tell us to go whistle, no administration would commit political suicide by risking the ire and rumbles of its own citizens stomachs.

3: We may choose to continue to abide by the Northern Ireland agreement, but any issue regarding the border in Ireland, regardless of if it is a result of the EU refusing to appease public opinion in Eire, will be solely blamed on the UK government. The fanatics are north of the border, to blithely state that it will be the EU's fault for a breakdown in the peace process will still mean that it will be the UK who has to deal with the resulting continuation of violence and conflict. Again, the EU knows it is within our interest to rectify this issue, and will call our bluff and tell us to go whistle.

4: UK expats are spread over multiple countries within the EU. The loss of their right to stay, work and contribute to their new country's economy will be less keenly felt than the mass expulsion of EU expats from Britain. As you said yourself, we need them, and the EU is aware of this, and will again tell us to go whistle.

5: 26 other EU member states will still share intelligence information. By threatening to withdraw the UK from any intelligence gathering and dissemination, our country would be put at significant risk. The EU by comparison will still be protected by 26 separate intelligence agencies, at a loss of one, our own. We have more at stake than them, and you guessed it, they will tell us to go whistle.

6: They won't tempt Britain with anything amazing. With Euroscepticism gaining ground on the continent, they are hardly likely to want it to appear to other twitchy nations that an exit from the EU is beneficial or preferable to staying in and paying your dues.

May's deal, as shit as it is, was always the best we could have hoped for, other than a Remain vote in the 2016 election. 

This country is fucked.

Your grasp of the situation is truly incredible. An accident of birth or severe brain damage later?

Either way, well done for trying.

[Decimus]

10 minutes ago, Piston said:

Your grasp of the situation is truly incredible. An accident of birth or severe brain damage later?

Either way, well done for trying.

Refute any of my points, if you can.

You obviously have an ideological viewpoint that completely ignores the reality of the situation, so go ahead and change my mind. Try not to ramble on incoherently about "unelected bureaucrats" or "taking back control"

I wager you can't.

[Cuntybaws]

Dirty British coaster with a salt-caked smoke stack 
Butting through the Channel in the mad March days, 
With a cargo of Tyne coal, 
Road-rail, pig-lead, 
Firewood, iron-ware, and cheap tin trays.

[Guest judgetwi]

23 minutes ago, Decimus said:

Refute any of my points, if you can.

You obviously have an ideological viewpoint that completely ignores the reality of the situation, so go ahead and change my mind. Try not to ramble on incoherently about "unelected bureaucrats" or "taking back control"

I wager you can't.

You’re an Establishment arselicker who swallows all the bollocks you are fed.

Great Brexit Betrayal March... December 9th 11.45 am Park Lane.

I expect to see you there, whining and griping because you lost the referendum to thick cunts like me who can never be as smart as you. 

What’s it like to know you are so superior?

[Decimus]

4 minutes ago, judgetwi said:

You’re an Establishment arselicker who swallows all the bollocks you are fed.

Great Brexit Betrayal March... December 9th 11.45 am Park Lane.

I expect to see you there, whining and griping because you lost the referendum to thick cunts like me who can never be as smart as you. 

What’s it like to know you are so superior?

The irony of it all is that the vast majority of small minded Little Englanders in attendance will not see the irony in belting out God Save The Queen whilst simultaneously whingeing about unelected European officials.

If you are truly concerned about democratic representation, look closer to home and focus your energy on the monarchy and the house of lords. Of course, that wouldn't fit with the alternative agenda that bigots like yourself and Tommy Robinson have in mind now, would it?

[Mrs Roops]

21 minutes ago, Decimus said:

It sounds like a common sense approach to a set of negotiations marked by intransigence on both sides. However, each point is flawed.

1 and 2: Going down the route of WTO rules, the combined Eurozone economy is better placed to weather the short and long term consequences of this in comparison to the lone UK economy. They may export more to us than we do to them, but when you consider the agricultural tariffs alone, and the fact that the UK is far from being self-sufficient in terms of food production, you can expect food prices to soar. This may be one part of the picture, but the cost of food is perhaps one of the most vital things any government has to take into account when considering its own survival. Put simply, they'll smell the bluff and tell us to go whistle, no administration would commit political suicide by risking the ire and rumbles of its own citizens stomachs.

3: We may choose to continue to abide by the Northern Ireland agreement, but any issue regarding the border in Ireland, regardless of if it is a result of the EU refusing to appease public opinion in Eire, will be solely blamed on the UK government. The fanatics are north of the border, to blithely state that it will be the EU's fault for a breakdown in the peace process will still mean that it will be the UK who has to deal with the resulting continuation of violence and conflict. Again, the EU knows it is within our interest to rectify this issue, and will call our bluff and tell us to go whistle.

4: UK expats are spread over multiple countries within the EU. The loss of their right to stay, work and contribute to their new country's economy will be less keenly felt than the mass expulsion of EU expats from Britain. As you said yourself, we need them, and the EU is aware of this, and will again tell us to go whistle.

5: 26 other EU member states will still share intelligence information. By threatening to withdraw the UK from any intelligence gathering and dissemination, our country would be put at significant risk. The EU by comparison will still be protected by 26 separate intelligence agencies, at a loss of one, our own. We have more at stake than them, and you guessed it, they will tell us to go whistle.

6: They won't tempt Britain with anything amazing. With Euroscepticism gaining ground on the continent, they are hardly likely to want it to appear to other twitchy nations that an exit from the EU is beneficial or preferable to staying in and paying your dues.

May's deal, as shit as it is, was always the best we could have hoped for, other than a Remain vote in the 2016 election. 

This country is fucked.

As I said, the strategy is not without risks and is the start line for negotiation. For a start the "divorce bill" and any future trading deal is inexorably linked. I suspect with that stance the EU would blink first. The EU would have a massive financial hole should there be a hard Brexit. The UK has the money which Germany and France needs otherwise they have to plug the hole.

1/&2/ The Eurozone refers to states that have the Euro as their currency but I get the point you make. The euro and sterling have proven to be equally robust if you study 15 year currency trends. Food prices might blip but it won't soar. Business is business. The UK may need food but the EU farmers need a market. They could sell elsewhere but at a much lower price. Worse case scenario? Under WTO tariffs there would be a marginal price increase, OTOH the price of UK goods would be offset by the dip of Sterling against the Euro. Anyway, who said anything  about bluffing?

3/ I don't have much time for Farrage, but he was right about one thing; the EU has weaponised the Good Friday Agreement to suit their purposes. A UK unilateral declaration committed to the Northern Ireland Agreement with no border controls on the UK side transfers the matter to where it belongs - between Eire and the EU. Remember, the UK is out of the EU and the Irish response should be an internal matter for the EU and its vassal state.

4/...which is why the UK should offer this concession. Of course as a retaliatory measure the EU could make life difficult for 1.2 million expats living in the UK but since the majority of UK expats are wealthy pensioners bringing money into the EU, think of the harm to local economies and employment should the EU act on spite. Locals on Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts wouldn't allow it. The last thing the EU needs is an additional 3.6 million citizens without a main source of income. That said, this issue is the most hypothetical. The UK is not going to kick out EU citizens and EU states are not going to kick out British expats. Political and Economic drama fine, human drama not so fine.

5/ Actually it was the EU that was threatening to exclude the UK from intel sharing. Despite incidences such as the Manchester bombing UK intel gathering is top notch. Most of the 27 other states have diddlysquat in intel gathering, none of them have anything like GCHQ and none of them have access to FVEY.

6/ Legally, the UK has no dues to pay and certainly not to the tune of £39 billion. If the EU have nothing to offer then that's fine - £39 billion to spend on UK needs and not 27 other grasping countries.

[Mrs Roops]

1 minute ago, Decimus said:

The irony of it all is that the vast majority of small minded Little Englanders in attendance will not see the irony in belting out God Save The Queen whilst simultaneously whingeing about unelected European officials.

If you are truly concerned about democratic representation, look closer to home and focus your energy on the monarchy and the house of lords. Of course, that wouldn't fit with the alternative agenda that bigots like yourself and Tommy Robinson have in mind now, would it?

Pulling out the "racist" card then? In this country, parliament (namely the House of Commons) reigns supreme, not a figurehead monarchy.

[scotty]

39 minutes ago, Cuntybaws said:

Dirty British coaster with a salt-caked smoke stack 
Butting through the Channel in the mad March days, 
With a cargo of Tyne coal, 
Road-rail, pig-lead, 
Firewood, iron-ware, and cheap tin trays.

Thank you molesworth for that touching peotry, my hart sings etc sa fotherington-tomas the skool wede

[Earl of Punkape]

12 minutes ago, Decimus said:

The irony of it all is that the vast majority of small minded Little Englanders in attendance will not see the irony in belting out God Save The Queen whilst simultaneously whingeing about unelected European officials.

If you are truly concerned about democratic representation, look closer to home and focus your energy on the monarchy and the house of lords. Of course, that wouldn't fit with the alternative agenda that bigots like yourself and Tommy Robinson have in mind now, would it?

You’re quite simply a traitor.

Cunts like you have undermined Brexit by not respecting the original result.

After a the correct result is eventually implemented, by force if required, treacherous scum like you will be rounded up and interred.

[Guest judgetwi]

Leaving aside the present bunch of  Vichy fascists and traitors who lick the bumholes of the bankers and globalist capitalists here is short list of cunts who can’t be trusted:

Yesterday’s Men:

Blair, Major, Campbell, Mandelson, Osbourne, Heseltine, Clarke, Kinnock, Clegg, Cable, One eyed Brown the bender, Little Timmy the Bible basher.

Sleb Champagne Socialist wankers who know fuck all about fuck all:

Sir Bob Goboff, (a fucking foreigner), Lineker, Eddie fucking Izzard ( a sexual deviant ), Bonio (another fucking foreigner)...... every fucking so called fucking comedian on the telly who keeps telling me how fucking thick I am and I scrape my knuckles across the pavement every time I go out to attack anybody with a suntan.

Yeah, fuck all those cunts and fuck any dumb sack of shit who swallows all that bollocks.

Cunts.

[Guest judgetwi]

Sorry, I forgot the weeping diva, Lily fucking Allen, another pathetic brainless scrubber who is taking the fucking piss.

Bitch

[Last Cunt Standing]

1 hour ago, Cuntybaws said:

Dirty British coaster with a salt-caked smoke stack 
Butting through the Channel in the mad March days, 
With a cargo of Tyne coal, 
Road-rail, pig-lead, 
Firewood, iron-ware, and cheap tin trays.

Isn’t this Philip Larkin? Shades of “this be the verse”.

Can you double down and do a Brexit Haiku?

[Last Cunt Standing]

2 hours ago, Decimus said:

It sounds like a common sense approach to a set of negotiations marked by intransigence on both sides. However, each point is flawed.

1 and 2: Going down the route of WTO rules, the combined Eurozone economy is better placed to weather the short and long term consequences of this in comparison to the lone UK economy. They may export more to us than we do to them, but when you consider the agricultural tariffs alone, and the fact that the UK is far from being self-sufficient in terms of food production, you can expect food prices to soar. This may be one part of the picture, but the cost of food is perhaps one of the most vital things any government has to take into account when considering its own survival. Put simply, they'll smell the bluff and tell us to go whistle, no administration would commit political suicide by risking the ire and rumbles of its own citizens stomachs.

3: We may choose to continue to abide by the Northern Ireland agreement, but any issue regarding the border in Ireland, regardless of if it is a result of the EU refusing to appease public opinion in Eire, will be solely blamed on the UK government. The fanatics are north of the border, to blithely state that it will be the EU's fault for a breakdown in the peace process will still mean that it will be the UK who has to deal with the resulting continuation of violence and conflict. Again, the EU knows it is within our interest to rectify this issue, and will call our bluff and tell us to go whistle.

4: UK expats are spread over multiple countries within the EU. The loss of their right to stay, work and contribute to their new country's economy will be less keenly felt than the mass expulsion of EU expats from Britain. As you said yourself, we need them, and the EU is aware of this, and will again tell us to go whistle.

5: 26 other EU member states will still share intelligence information. By threatening to withdraw the UK from any intelligence gathering and dissemination, our country would be put at significant risk. The EU by comparison will still be protected by 26 separate intelligence agencies, at a loss of one, our own. We have more at stake than them, and you guessed it, they will tell us to go whistle.

6: They won't tempt Britain with anything amazing. With Euroscepticism gaining ground on the continent, they are hardly likely to want it to appear to other twitchy nations that an exit from the EU is beneficial or preferable to staying in and paying your dues.

May's deal, as shit as it is, was always the best we could have hoped for, other than a Remain vote in the 2016 election. 

This country is fucked.

I’m astonished to admit I agree. Fucked. Fundus to Apex. 

It was always a giant bluff. It’s been called. The decent thing now would be to admit we overplayed our weak hand. Instead we’ll flip over the table, attack the dealer and continue this bizarre act of collective self harm. 

My flight out of Heathrow in the New Year suddenly feels like the last helicopter from a Saigon rooftop. 

[Cuntybaws]

5 minutes ago, Last Cunt Standing said:

Isn’t this Philip Larkin? Shades of “this be the verse”.

From "Cargoes" by John Masefield, who also wrote "Sea Fever". Ironically he was chronically sea sick every time he got on a boat, the stupid cunt.

[Eric Cuntman]

7 minutes ago, Last Cunt Standing said:

Isn’t this Philip Larkin? Shades of “this be the verse”.

Can you double down and do a Brexit Haiku?

John Masefield. 

[Eric Cuntman]

Just now, Cuntybaws said:

From "Cargoes" by John Masefield, who also wrote "Sea Fever". Ironically he was chronically sea sick every time he got on a boat, the stupid cunt.

Cunt

[Cuntybaws]

Just now, Eric Cuntman said:

John Masefield. 

That's not a haiku - not nearly enough syllables.

[Cuntybaws]

4 minutes ago, Last Cunt Standing said:

The decent thing now would be to admit we overplayed our weak hand. Instead we’ll flip over the table, attack the dealer and continue this bizarre act of collective self harm. 

I presume you're familiar with the analogy of the pigeon playing chess?

[Guest judgetwi]

3 minutes ago, Last Cunt Standing said:

 

My flight out of Heathrow in the New Year suddenly feels like the last helicopter from a Saigon rooftop. 

Fuck off then cunt. Don’t come back. Not wanted, wanker.

[Last Cunt Standing]

27 minutes ago, Lord Punkape said:

Cunts like you have undermined Brexit by not respecting the original result.

You tend to make a very big deal about things you believe to be wrong, given your deeply held Vatican leanings, Punky. 

If I ask you to respect the 1967 Abortion Act, you’d tell me it was an abomination and cite the alternative view.

The Gammon-faced legions of overinflated angry Englishmen hold one view. Many hold another. Neither is necessarily wrong, but crying traitor at any variation from Orthodoxy is the sort of shit the Catholic Church got a bad name for in the Middle Ages.

Get back to your Malleus Maleficarum. 

[Eric Cuntman]

6 minutes ago, Cuntybaws said:

That's not a haiku - not nearly enough syllables.

There was a young girl from the Azores

Her cunt was all covered in sores

And the dogs in the street 

Used to lick the green meat

that fell from her pus sodden drawers.

 

Now that's culture.