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5 hours ago, Glowworm said:

Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU asking for a Brexit delay if no deal is agreed by 19 October, according to government papers submitted to a Scottish court..

The legal action has been initiated by businessman Dale Vince, QC Jo Maugham and SNP MP Joanna Cherry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

One thing that puzzles me about these anti Brexit  high court cases a la Vagina Miller and Joanna touch my Cherry is, How come they can get their cases heard within a couple of days, yet normal cunts who bring any sort of action through the courts have to wait months and sometimes years to get their case listed? If I was in anyway a cynic I might suspect chicanery, but far be it from me to suggest any such bias. And since when is it a matter for the highest courts in the land to order the Prime Minister to carry out an action that he is not yet legally obliged to do?  This remain bullshit  is fast becoming out of control. The courts are showing themselves to be acting way above their authority, and only in one direction. Very dangerous precedents are being set on an almost daily basis.

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4 hours ago, King Billy said:

One thing that puzzles me about these anti Brexit  high court cases a la Vagina Miller and Joanna touch my Cherry is, How come they can get their cases heard within a couple of days, yet normal cunts who bring any sort of action through the courts have to wait months and sometimes years to get their case listed? If I was in anyway a cynic I might suspect chicanery, but far be it from me to suggest any such bias. And since when is it a matter for the highest courts in the land to order the Prime Minister to carry out an action that he is not yet legally obliged to do?  This remain bullshit  is fast becoming out of control. The courts are showing themselves to be acting way above their authority, and only in one direction. Very dangerous precedents are being set on an almost daily basis.

You've actually tapped into an undercurrent of disquiet currently doing the rounds in Westminster. Courts (i.e. judges) have always been reluctant to be involved in cases where individuals seek to gain a material advantage over issues that are not codified, for instance overturning wills and "libel tourism". If truth be known the recent unanimous ruling by the Supreme Court came as a surprise. Prorogation per se was not illegal but Johnson's reason to suspend parliament was deemed to be "political" and therefore invalid. This of course has set a precedent where politicians being "political" is now open season for any chancer to petition a judicial review on any government or parliamentary decision deemed "political". To take this to extremes, say a future Labour government introduces a plan to nationalise or force corporates to give the workers shares in the firm that employs them. One could argue that such moves are borne through socialist political dogma and therefore not allowed. 

Now there is an irony to all this, I mentioned earlier that that the courts do not like to be used as a means to obtain an advantage yet here they have been used by an aggrieved party to obtain a political advantage. There is an existing parliamentary mechanism in the form of a vote of no confidence to stop Boris. However this would've triggered a general election which the opposition did not want so actors have used the courts to bypass a constitutional procedure that avoided the electorate an opportunity to kick the Remainers into oblivion.  We expect politicians to be political, they are simply doing what they do based on core political beliefs. If we (the voters) do not like what they do then we vote them out. Voting out an unelected judicial government who regards itself as supreme above that of the legislature and the executive is not so simple. The Supreme Court should have echoed the English High Court's decision, "its not our business".

 

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35 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

You've actually tapped into an undercurrent of disquiet currently doing the rounds in Westminster. Courts (i.e. judges) have always been reluctant to be involved in cases where individuals seek to gain a material advantage over issues that are not codified, for instance overturning wills and "libel tourism". If truth be known the recent unanimous ruling by the Supreme Court came as a surprise. Prorogation per se was not illegal but Johnson's reason to suspend parliament was deemed to be "political" and therefore invalid. This of course has set a precedent where politicians being "political" is now open season for any chancer to petition a judicial review on any government or parliamentary decision deemed "political". To take this to extremes, say a future Labour government introduces a plan to nationalise or force corporates to give the workers shares in the firm that employs them. One could argue that such legislation is borne through socialist political dogma and therefore not allowed. 

We expect politicians to be political, they are simply doing what they do based on core political beliefs. If we (the voters) do not like what they do then we vote them out. Voting out an unelected judicial government who regards itself as supreme above that of the legislature and the executive is not so simple.

 

So what's the solution, rioting and civil unrest? I very much fear that's the way things heading, especially if we have to have another referendum. The only outcome will be a complete breakdown in civil debate.

What bothers me most about all the anti-democratic accusations being thrown around is that people believe that going to the polls is the basis of democracy. It isn't. The principle of jury nullification, or in UK parlance, a perverse verdict, is the fundamental basis of democracy, but more and more judgements on laws passed by politicians with bias or vested interest are being taken out of the hands of jurors. Even worse than this, the principle that a person can be found not guilty on the basis that a juror believes the law to be unjust is not even explained to those that must reach the verdict, if it were I think the laws on dealing 'soft' drugs would die a quick death.

Unfortunately, the moneyed supreme court justices have a vested interest that they are not required to declare. We're on a precipice and no one knows what the outcome will be.

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6 hours ago, Wizardsleeve said:

Pile of shit. 

Exactly the type of self-promoting keyboard wankery I would expect from these two Wizard.  No solutions , just gloomy shite - and rampant sesquipedalian loquaciousness , indicative of over-inflated views of their own self-worth.

That anyone sane could watch , believe , or even comment on a BBC news-feed - has me in a state of total incredulity.

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17 hours ago, Glowworm said:

Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU asking for a Brexit delay if no deal is agreed by 19 October, according to government papers submitted to a Scottish court..

The legal action has been initiated by businessman Dale Vince, QC Jo Maugham and SNP MP Joanna Cherry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

Yet another post where you simply provide a link to a BBC news article. Try some original thought, you lazy, verbose fucking idiot.

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4 hours ago, Pete said:

Exactly the type of self-promoting keyboard wankery I would expect from these two Wizard.  No solutions , just gloomy shite - and rampant sesquipedalian loquaciousness , indicative of over-inflated views of their own self-worth.

That anyone sane could watch , believe , or even comment on a BBC news-feed - has me in a state of total incredulity.

'Self-promoting keyboard wankery' indeed. Thank God for cut & paste and the modern thesaurus, Pete, otherwise I might suspect you're a whopping thicko desperately trying to punch above his weight on a platform which makes you appear like a donkey in a horse race.

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21 hours ago, Glowworm said:

Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU asking for a Brexit delay if no deal is agreed by 19 October, according to government papers submitted to a Scottish court..

The legal action has been initiated by businessman Dale Vince, QC Jo Maugham and SNP MP Joanna Cherry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

You seem a bit obsessed with this whole Brexit business, you old tranny cunt. I don't know why you wind yourself up about it so much, you'll be long dead before any future theoretical positives or negatives come about from the whole shit storm.

 

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1 minute ago, Decimus said:

You seem a bit obsessed with this whole Brexit business, tranny. I don't know why you wind yourself up about it so much, you'll be long dead before any future theoretical positives or negatives come about from the whole shit storm.

 

You are fixated with the "trannie" thing .. is your bedroom adorned with posters of RuPaul and unicorns?

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1 minute ago, Decimus said:

You seem a bit obsessed with this whole Brexit business, you old tranny cunt. I don't know why you wind yourself up about it so much, you'll be long dead before any future theoretical positives or negatives come about from the whole shit storm.

 

Yet another fruitless and utterly fucking shit nomination from the corner's BBC-brainwashed felching queen. Is it any wonder idiots such as Pete are attracted to the site?

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11 minutes ago, Glowworm said:

You are fixated with the "trannie" thing .. is your bedroom adorned with posters of RuPaul and unicorns?

You can't be surprised, surely. This was hardly the ideal forum to out yourself as a dick swinging freak of fucking nature.

What were you expecting, understanding and sympathy?

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24 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

'Self-promoting keyboard wankery' indeed. Thank God for cut & paste and the modern thesaurus, Pete, otherwise I might suspect you're a whopping thicko desperately trying to punch above his weight on a platform which makes you appear like a donkey in a horse race.

It looks like a textbook case of Supercalifragelisticexpialidocious Antidisestablishmentarianism to me.

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2 hours ago, Wolfie said:

'Self-promoting keyboard wankery' indeed. Thank God for cut & paste and the modern thesaurus, Pete, otherwise I might suspect you're a whopping thicko desperately trying to punch above his weight on a platform which makes you appear like a donkey in a horse race.

It works on three different levels Wolfie.   Who’s the dumb cunt?  Although I have “lowered” myself by even commenting on your spew.

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1 hour ago, Glowworm said:

We also have this .. we give them a welcome, a home and a job and they give us this.  

We give them a website , a concept and a forum - and they give us you

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