Brexit..the meltdown has begun

[Penny Farthing]

27 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Fact is that 39 billion is nothing compared to the damage the moog and the gove n the bojo did to the economy over the last year and a bit with their theatrics..yer firing the wrong people ..

Panzbaby 

You ever thought of moving to the Irish Republic to see what its like living there Panz?

[PANZER MURPHY]

28 minutes ago, Gamayun said:

You ever thought of moving to the Irish Republic to see what its like living there Panz?

Im sure the roops could easilly verify my location pen baby

Panzbaby 

[Penny Farthing]

20 hours ago, Panzerknacker said:

So what would you look for if you were tessy

Panzbaby 

I know that Panz but is the part of the ROI you live in still truly Irish?

[Jiggerycock]

1 hour ago, Panzerknacker said:

Fact is that 39 billion is nothing compared to the damage the moog and the gove n the bojo did to the economy over the last year and a bit with their theatrics..yer firing the wrong people ..

Panzbaby 

Political sage

Wit

Bon Viveur

...and now insightful economist!

Is there no beginning to your talents?

[Mrs Roops]

19 hours ago, Panzerknacker said:

The U.K. has burned up every bit of good will it had with its behaviour in the last 17 months ..EU want rid of you and have no interest in talking any more 

Panzbaby 

You would help yourself if you stop posting the first thought that enters your head just because it sounds good. The reason for all this European ruckus is precisely because the EU does not want the UK to leave.

17 hours ago, Panzerknacker said:

Its highly unlikely anyone will trust the UK to keep its end of a deal having witnessed the theatrics of the last few months and the very visible and failed attempt to go around and undermine mr barnier by sending out fleets of underlings to meet with various heads of state and were very publicly told to fuck off..even by that proto dictator lad in Hungary ..they're done with you

Panzbaby 

That's called politics. It's perfectly in order for governments to lobby each other.  As for "trust" the UK is notorious for playing with a straight bat when observing internationally agreed rules. Compare and contrast the UK being one of the handful of countries who contribute .7% of GNI to overseas development (Eire contributes a measly .2%) and is one of only five countries who pay in excess of 2% of GDP to defence as per NATO requirements. Eire weasels out of this requirement by electing not to be part of NATO yet hides behind the security blanket provided by the NATO EAPC arrangement. Irish airspace is defended by the UK military. With matters concerning EU law, Whitehall not only enforces legislation, it gold plates the rules resulting in euroregs being the most rigorously upheld in the EU - another reason I'm pro-Brexit.

[Mrs Roops]

35 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Im sure the roops could easilly verify my location pen baby

Panzbaby 

Indeed I can. Physically you are in the emerald isle, where your mind resides is another matter... 

[Penny Farthing]

2 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

Indeed I can. Physically you are in the emerald isle, where your mind resides is another matter... 

I think that his soul resides in Brussels.

[Jiggerycock]

6 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

Indeed I can. Physically you are in the emerald isle, where your mind resides is another matter... 

Like hell he is!

I still maintain this is all a big wind up by someone called Jeremy who lives with his parents in Virginia Water

[Jiggerycock]

14 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

You would help yourself if you stop posting the first thought that enters your head just because it sounds good. The reason for all this European ruckus is precisely because the EU does not want the UK to leave.

That's called politics. It's perfectly in order for governments to lobby each other.  As for "trust" the UK is notorious for playing with a straight bat when observing internationally agreed rules. Compare and contrast the UK being one of the handful of countries who contribute .7% of GNI to overseas development (Eire contributes a measly .2%) and is one of only five countries who pay in excess of 2% of GDP to defence as per NATO requirements. Eire weasels out of this requirement by electing not to be part of NATO yet hides behind the security blanket provided by the NATO EAPC arrangement. Irish airspace is defended by the UK military. With matters concerning EU law, Whitehall not only enforces legislation, it gold plates the rules resulting in euroregs being the most rigorously upheld in the EU - another reason I'm pro-Brexit.

At the risk of being accused of crawling to 'Miss' at Big School, what are you doing for Christmas lunch?

Only if you can eviscerate a turkey as well as you remove the guts from Panzerknacker, then you're a welcome guest round my gaff.

[Penny Farthing]

3 minutes ago, Jiggerycock said:

At the risk of being accused of crawling to 'Miss' at Big School, what are you doing for Christmas lunch?

Only if you can eviscerate a turkey as well as you remove the guts from Panzerknacker, then you're a welcome guest round my gaff.

Even Roops would not be able to remove Panzer's guts as Panzer does not have any guts.

[Penny Farthing]

I remember someone saying when we joined the EEC that in 25 years time (ie the late 1990s) most of our industries would have been stripped out and that the countries on the fringes of the EEC (such as the UK) would be relying on subsidies from the EEC and would see that as a big point in favour of being in the EEC. What they would have forgotten was that for every half crown that we got in compensation the EEC would have taken a pound off us.

[PANZER MURPHY]

3 hours ago, Mrs Roops said:

Indeed I can. Physically you are in the emerald isle, where your mind resides is another matter... 

Snide remarks on poor Panzbabys state of mind aside...what would you ask of the EU roops baby

Panzbaby 

[Mrs Roops]

35 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

Snide remarks on poor Panzbabys state of mind aside...what would you ask of the EU roops baby

Panzbaby 

If you're going to insult the puntership's intelligence (most of whom are British) with your "stoopid" comments justified by fake news then expect bruised nads once in a while.

As to your question, well, Mrs May has boxed herself into a corner. Hammond's prophesies will not convince anyone as all past projections from  the Dept of "Project Fear" simply have not materialised.

Mrs May is a survivor but has paid too much attention to her SpAd's and needs to trust her own instincts. She could do no worse than press the Brexit nuclear button by going to Brussels saying, "sorry guys, the maths don't add up, parliament will not approve the plan, so here's what will happen"

1/ There is no money, we need the £39 billion to smooth the way for businesses to adapt to WTO rules.

2/ That's right we're going WTO. You export more to us than we to you. Let us know if you want to smooth things over for your exporters, we'll expect the same treatment for our exporters.

3/ We will continue to abide by the Northern Irish agreement. It up to you if you let Ireland do the same. Discuss it with them, not us.

3/ Euro ex-pats living in the UK can expect the same rights and benefits they currently enjoy. We expect that British Expats in the EU to be similarly treated.

4/ You'll continue to receive the best intelligence from our security agencies, of course we'll expect free access to your intelligence in return. Remember we have access to FVEY, you don't. 

5/ You want some of our money? Fine, tempt us with something amazing.

Granted, its a strategy not without risks but the current plan is one massive bureaucratic bog. With this hard-nosed approach Mrs May will win most of the Brexit vote at the next general election, as for the Leavers, many don't trust Corbyn (who's a closet Brexiteer in any case) and they certainly don't relish McDonnell manning the UK cash register.

[Ape™️]

I see Panzy has been very busy “not giving a fuck about Brexit and just enjoying the show” today. He clearly takes not giving a fuck extremely seriously.

[Eric Cuntman]

7 minutes ago, Iam Ape said:

I see Panzy has been very busy “not giving a fuck about Brexit and just enjoying the show” today. He clearly takes not giving a fuck extremely seriously.

It's almost as if 'not giving a fuck' has become a blue lipped, manic, all consuming obsession. I seem to remember Adolf Hitler was famous for 'not giving a fuck' about Jewish people.

[Guest 'eavensabove]

25 minutes ago, Eric Cuntman said:

It's almost as if 'not giving a fuck' has become a blue lipped, manic, all consuming obsession. I seem to remember Adolf Hitler was famous for 'not giving a fuck' about Jewish people.

The Panzies, have never quite got over The Battle of Beann-uamha; Scormor, in Clann Chathail mic Murray, when they were defeated by The Glanog on the banks of Lough Carraig. It was the first recorded death from a bullet outside Belfast castle which was demolished by O'Donnell, Ballytober Bride and by O' Connor Roe, over an argument about the ownership of Paddy McGinty's Goat. 

The above is only the gist. Panza, will fill the gaps, just as soon as he's powdered his whiskers. 

[PANZER MURPHY]

1 hour ago, Mrs Roops said:

If you're going to insult the puntership's intelligence (most of whom are British) with your "stoopid" comments justified by fake news then expect bruised nads once in a while.

As to your question, well, Mrs May has boxed herself into a corner. Hammond's prophesies will not convince anyone as all past projections from  the Dept of "Project Fear" simply have not materialised.

Mrs May is a survivor but has paid too much attention to her SpAd's and needs to trust her own instincts. She could do no worse than press the Brexit nuclear button by going to Brussels saying, "sorry guys, the maths don't add up, parliament will not approve the plan, so here's what will happen"

1/ There is no money, we need the £39 billion to smooth the way for businesses to adapt to WTO rules.

2/ That's right we're going WTO. You export more to us than we to you. Let us know if you want to smooth things over for your exporters, we'll expect the same treatment for our exporters.

3/ We will continue to abide by the Northern Irish agreement. It up to you if you let Ireland do the same. Discuss it with them, not us.

3/ Euro ex-pats living in the UK can expect the same rights and benefits they currently enjoy. We expect that British Expats in the EU to be similarly treated.

4/ You'll continue to receive the best intelligence from our security agencies, of course we'll expect free access to your intelligence in return. Remember we have access to FVEY, you don't. 

5/ You want some of our money? Fine, tempt us with something amazing.

Granted, its a strategy not without risks but the current plan is one massive bureaucratic bog. With this hard-nosed approach Mrs May will win most of the Brexit vote at the next general election, as for the Leavers, many don't trust Corbyn (who's a closet Brexiteer in any case) and they certainly don't relish McDonnell manning the UK cash register.

All this hinges on an unified stable government and arleens blessing..somthing that may hasnt got or cant rely on

Panzbaby 

[Mrs Roops]

21 minutes ago, Panzerknacker said:

All this hinges on an unified stable government and arleens blessing..somthing that may hasnt got or cant rely on

Panzbaby 

That's the beauty of it - the five point plan is fully in accordance with the people's vote as exercised in the recent referendum. No mainstream political party is going to risk overturning the result. The leavers, who hold the romanticised view of cosmopolitan café society, still have the euro expats in the UK. (to be fair, its in our interests for them to stay).

[Cuntybaws]

1 hour ago, Mrs Roops said:

She could do no worse than press the Brexit nuclear button by going to Brussels saying, "sorry guys, the maths don't add up, parliament will not approve the plan, so here's what will happen"

1/ There is no money, we need the £39 billion to smooth the way for businesses to adapt to WTO rules.

2/ That's right we're going WTO. You export more to us than we to you. Let us know if you want to smooth things over for your exporters, we'll expect the same treatment for our exporters.

3/ We will continue to abide by the Northern Irish agreement. It up to you if you let Ireland do the same. Discuss it with them, not us.

3/ Euro ex-pats living in the UK can expect the same rights and benefits they currently enjoy. We expect that British Expats in the EU to be similarly treated.

4/ You'll continue to receive the best intelligence from our security agencies, of course we'll expect free access to your intelligence in return. Remember we have access to FVEY, you don't. 

5/ You want some of our money? Fine, tempt us with something amazing.

It would be worth doing this just to see Barnier's face.

[Mrs Roops]

13 minutes ago, Cuntybaws said:

It would be worth doing this just to see Barnier's face.

It was a major strategic error by the UK to let Mrs Merkel dictate the terms of negotiation that compartmentalised the divorce bill and future trading terms with divorce terms first followed by future relationship discussions. It forced the UK to use up the majority of its cards and it was obvious what would eventually happen. When Merkel made her position clear the UK should have gone nuclear at the outset with a unilateral declaration broadly on the lines I've given previously. Now that Merkel is a lame duck we should go in low and hard.

[Guest Kunte Kinte]

7 hours ago, Mrs Roops said:

Indeed I can. Physically you are in the emerald isle, where your mind resides is another matter... 

You can live in the world of faction and make believe - but you are a dwindling endangered species. 

[PANZER MURPHY]

47 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said:

It was a major strategic error by the UK to let Mrs Merkel dictate the terms of negotiation that compartmentalised the divorce bill and future trading terms with divorce terms first followed by future relationship discussions. It forced the UK to use up the majority of its cards and it was obvious what would eventually happen. When Merkel made her position clear the UK should have gone nuclear at the outset with a unilateral declaration broadly on the lines I've given previously. Now that Merkel is a lame duck we should go in low and hard.

There is no we in mays government..isnt that what has ya in this situation..lots of nadine dorizzzezz to ruin any retreat and regroup 

Panzbaby 

[Frank]

https://youtu.be/SRAOG-BpNOw

[Mrs Roops]

54 minutes ago, Kunte Kinte said:

You can live in the world of faction and make believe - but you are a dwindling endangered species. 

How so?

[Decimus]

3 hours ago, Mrs Roops said:

 

1/ There is no money, we need the £39 billion to smooth the way for businesses to adapt to WTO rules.

2/ That's right we're going WTO. You export more to us than we to you. Let us know if you want to smooth things over for your exporters, we'll expect the same treatment for our exporters.

3/ We will continue to abide by the Northern Irish agreement. It up to you if you let Ireland do the same. Discuss it with them, not us.

3/ Euro ex-pats living in the UK can expect the same rights and benefits they currently enjoy. We expect that British Expats in the EU to be similarly treated.

4/ You'll continue to receive the best intelligence from our security agencies, of course we'll expect free access to your intelligence in return. Remember we have access to FVEY, you don't. 

5/ You want some of our money? Fine, tempt us with something amazing.

 

It sounds like a common sense approach to a set of negotiations marked by intransigence on both sides. However, each point is flawed.

1 and 2: Going down the route of WTO rules, the combined Eurozone economy is better placed to weather the short and long term consequences of this in comparison to the lone UK economy. They may export more to us than we do to them, but when you consider the agricultural tariffs alone, and the fact that the UK is far from being self-sufficient in terms of food production, you can expect food prices to soar. This may be one part of the picture, but the cost of food is perhaps one of the most vital things any government has to take into account when considering its own survival. Put simply, they'll smell the bluff and tell us to go whistle, no administration would commit political suicide by risking the ire and rumbles of its own citizens stomachs.

3: We may choose to continue to abide by the Northern Ireland agreement, but any issue regarding the border in Ireland, regardless of if it is a result of the EU refusing to appease public opinion in Eire, will be solely blamed on the UK government. The fanatics are north of the border, to blithely state that it will be the EU's fault for a breakdown in the peace process will still mean that it will be the UK who has to deal with the resulting continuation of violence and conflict. Again, the EU knows it is within our interest to rectify this issue, and will call our bluff and tell us to go whistle.

4: UK expats are spread over multiple countries within the EU. The loss of their right to stay, work and contribute to their new country's economy will be less keenly felt than the mass expulsion of EU expats from Britain. As you said yourself, we need them, and the EU is aware of this, and will again tell us to go whistle.

5: 26 other EU member states will still share intelligence information. By threatening to withdraw the UK from any intelligence gathering and dissemination, our country would be put at significant risk. The EU by comparison will still be protected by 26 separate intelligence agencies, at a loss of one, our own. We have more at stake than them, and you guessed it, they will tell us to go whistle.

6: They won't tempt Britain with anything amazing. With Euroscepticism gaining ground on the continent, they are hardly likely to want it to appear to other twitchy nations that an exit from the EU is beneficial or preferable to staying in and paying your dues.

May's deal, as shit as it is, was always the best we could have hoped for, other than a Remain vote in the 2016 election. 

This country is fucked.